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Do Christians on here feel that state Church schools should be scrapped?

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nolongeraworriedmummy · 24/10/2008 21:24

Ok this is a thread about a thread really but I just wondered what Christians thought, to me being a Christian is about living everyday as a Christian but have just read a post on another thread that says if I want Christian ethos and morals for my child I should give them a bible at night and take them to church on Sunday and they shouldnt be allowed to have daily prayers and religious assemblies as there is no place in school for that basically,

What do you think?

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IorekByrnison · 01/11/2008 17:40

Many church schools seem to do an exceptionally good job, so I wouldn't want to see them scrapped, particularly in the context of a system that generally seems to be struggling. I would however very much like to see them having to abide by the same admission criteria as other schools. They should not be allowed to exclude children of people with other/no faith - it quite obviously is unfair and divisive.

But I am not a proper Christian. One of my earliest memories involves doubts about religion. I remember being at church one Sunday and being immensely troubled by the words of the priest who was saying something like "whatever you do is worth nothing unless you love God". "Love God?" I thought. "I love my cat and my mum and dad, but God?" The concept of God, although ever present, was just too abstract for me to have any emotional response. My journey into atheism continued gradually over the years and more or less concluded during a lesson about ancient Greek theatre at my (convent) school. I suddenly had an epiphany about just how local, temporally and geographically, Catholicism/Christianity was, so that it simply couldn't be "true" in the sense that I had been led to understand. I soon found a thoroughly satisfying account of how society and morality function without God in The Selfish Gene and that was that, subject to some fairly tortuous realignment of my own moral values.

However, whether it is a product of my infantine crisis of faith at the priest's sermon, or of exposure to too much Romantic literature, I am now generally of the belief that the experience and practice of love - in the widest sense - is all that makes life meaningful and valuable. And I find I am increasingly bored with reminding myself that our consciousness of love is nothing more than a tool for conferring genetic advantage (whether in the context of reproduction or social cooperation).

It seems to me now that mythology and religion provide a far more direct way of understanding our consciousness of love than evolutionary psychology, and although operating in a metaphysical sphere, and through symbol and metaphor, need be no less ?true?.

As fate would have it, I now find myself employed by various churches, so am in church on a fairly regular basis and am impressed by Christianity?s central, unarguable message of love and peace, however peculiar or anachronistic I may find some of the terms in which that message is couched. I want my children to learn that love and peace are supremely important, and would love them to go to a church school where this would be emphasised and explored. However, unless the admission policies change, or one of you can convert me back to proper Catholicism asap, it sadly is not going to happen.

Reallytired · 01/11/2008 18:19

What would Jesus think of many faith schools? Is it what Gods wants? Does God really want Christians to cut themselves off from the rest of the community?

My suspicion is that Jesus would mix with the kids at the rough secular comprehensive.

Personally I think my son has a richer existance going to school with children from a mix of backgrounds. His best friend is a Hari Krishna and he knows children with range of beliefs. He has learnt to live and let live. I also feel he is better prepared for the adult world.

IorekByrnison · 02/11/2008 15:28

Oh dear, I see that my last post was a tad wordy. It should of course have read:

I think faith schools would be OK if they had fair admissions policies, but as a lapsed Catholic I am mightily pissed off that my daughter is not eligible to attend her local state school.

IorekByrnison · 02/11/2008 15:32

Maybe I could get state funding to start a lapsed Catholic school. The admission criteria could be:

  1. Children of baptised, non-practising Catholics
  2. Children of lapsed members of other denominations and faiths
  3. Humanists/atheists/agnostics of any background
  4. Paganists, druids etc
  5. People who believe stuff like the world was colonised by aliens 10,000 years ago etc
  6. Jedis
  7. Siblings of the above
  8. Anyone else
justabouthowlsatthemoon · 02/11/2008 15:56

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onager · 02/11/2008 16:32

Good plan, Iorek.

It could be a high achieving school too if it were mostly the kids of people who had thought carefully and decided to be non practicing.

You'd have to filter out those who gave up their faith because they wanted to sleep in on a sunday

justabouthowlsatthemoon · 02/11/2008 18:51

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UnquietDad · 02/11/2008 21:54

Not at all.

squeakypop · 02/11/2008 21:56

I agree with you, RT, about WWJD. Christians are not meant to hide their light under a bushel.

justabouthowlsatthemoon · 02/11/2008 22:37

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EachPeachPearMum · 02/11/2008 22:50

reallytired sorry to harp on about this... but Jesus wouldn't be able to attend a secular comprehensive... because there aren't any secular schools in England.
But yes, he would likely go to the roughest sink school in town- he was born in 'social housing'!

IorekByrnison · 03/11/2008 14:00

If faith schools had fair admission policies he could have just gone to the one near his house.

Reallytired · 03/11/2008 20:35

EachPeachPearMum, I'm sure you are right, I am tired. I'm pregnant and I been at work all day.

However there are comprehensives that break the law and the special school I work at has a brilliant non religous assembly. The children sing along to beatles songs, lion king and bob marley in assembly. There is not even a hint of religon. If you really wanted to avoid any religon, it would be the perfect school. The only snag is that it that it only caters for children with learning difficulties.

Just think Jesus might have got kicked out of St Posh Church School for turning over the tables at the school fair. (When they charge extortionate amounts of money for home made christmas cards.)

But then St Rough's GCSE results would improve overnight with a miracle worker in year 9.

EachPeachPearMum · 03/11/2008 22:12

Love your analogies!
When are you due?

Reallytired · 03/11/2008 23:02

I'm due 25th April.

EachPeachPearMum · 04/11/2008 13:01

AH- still in th mega tired period then- sympathies. Mine has just worn off, finally! (Due mid jan)

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