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Reluctant Worshippers week 4 - Is it OK to pray for ice cream? Bring your own spoon and bowl!!!!!

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MaryBS · 10/10/2008 16:23

Right you lot, you've worn the Rev out, it must be all that talk of fluffy dressing gowns and jealousy, but she's having a rest this week.

Due to the unseasonably warm sunny weather today, I've not put the heating on, but thought everyone might like some ice cream! The question is though, is it OK to PRAY for it?

I think if I were to suggest that at my local church, all the old ladies would have several dozen fits, as it would be COMPLETELY inappropriate and disrespectful to bother God with such a prayer. Their blue rinses would turn white with horror!

Yet, so many times when I see requests for prayer, either here on the internet, or when people ask for prayers in real life, there seems to be a sense of guilt, that their prayer request is too small, too paltry to bother God with, when other people have things wrong in their lives which seem much more important.

It's almost like people think that God has a prayer box which our prayers go into, and that once it's full, God can't POSSIBLY hear any more prayer requests. Or that we should pray for all the important stuff first, before even beginning to consider what we might call our teeny tiny prayer requests.

So saying to God "hey God, I'd really love a bowl of Ben and Jerrys tonight", could be seen to be trivialising prayer. How many other things would you have to pray for before THAT request might be worth bothering God with?

See, this is where we've got prayer "arse over tit", to put it crudely. St Paul gets it spot on in his letter to the Philippians "Do not worry about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus".

And by "everything in prayer" I MEAN everything (well, except for praying what colour socks I should wear today ). I regularly pray for a parking space when I'm in town, knowing spaces are few and far between. And do you know I reckon it WORKS? You would not believe how often a car pulls out just as I need a space! How trivial is THAT? But, by the time you've thought about "ooo should I really be praying for this, it's a bit silly", you could have offered up a quick prayer and have done with it.

But don't just stop there. When you fall out with one of your children or a partner, offer up a quick prayer that you can be reconciled. When you hear of someone who is ill, say a prayer for them. Right then, on the spot. If you hear of a disaster on the news, pray. Doesn't have to be out loud, you might get some funny looks in Currys whilst watching the news on that mega-huge widescreen TV. If you see an opportunity to pray, or a situation that needs prayer, then pray! Before long, prayer will become second nature, and a quick prayer for ice cream will seem the natural thing to do!

A word of warning, though - if God doesn't deliver a bowl of Haagen Dazs, don't think it's because prayer doesn't work. God is like any parent, he knows what is good for us, even if we don't. If I gave my children ice cream every time they asked for it, they'd be as fat as pigs and as sick as a dog! God does truly answer prayer - it might not be when we want, it might not be what we want, but we should trust him to know what is best for us, as he has the bigger picture.

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DutchOma · 11/10/2008 17:58

Have you ever seen that thing with a large glass bottle, Mary? First of all it gets filled up with large things like pingpong balls or stones, so it is 'full'. Then small things get added and it is again 'full'. Then even more small things like gravel gets added and it is 'full again. Finally it is topped up with a large quantity of water.
So it is with grace. Always room for more. And it is nothing to do with you, in a way, it is the grace of God that fills you, all you need to do is to be is open to the infilling of God.

MaryBS · 11/10/2008 18:00

Yes, but I don't think I get topped up in this world, IYSWIM. Its something to look forward to, I guess

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DutchOma · 11/10/2008 18:37

Feel free, it wasn't my picture, saw it done in our church years ago.

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DutchOma · 11/10/2008 19:09

We'll be perfect in heaven, not through anything we have done, but through what Jesus has done.
And the grace we have here is also from God, nothing we can do to earn more or get less because we are imperfect and don't 'deserve' it. I know we don't (deserve it), but 'He gives us more grace'

MaryBS · 11/10/2008 19:14

Miroslav Volf is good on grace, but I think we're getting beyond the realms of reluctant worshipping here!

I think grace is freely given, but we are not always aware of it, we don't see things clearly, rather "through a glass darkly", so cannot appreciate the abundance of grace on offer.

Back to prayer - what do we do when we feel our prayer has NOT been granted?

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MaryBS · 11/10/2008 21:50

Do you REALLY stop worshipping for a while? ?

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Clockface · 12/10/2008 08:24

Here's a question; is it irreverant to let stufed toys pray?

My ds who is 4 had three stuffed toys who sleep in his bed. Most nights I go in to check on him and he is clutching all three tightly in his little arms. Our bedtime routine involves prayer, and last night he asked Iggle PIggle (one ot he stuffed toys) what he wanted to pray for . So I said "Oh, Iggle Piggle wants to say thank you Jesus for such a lovely day".

I came out wondering if this could / would trivialise prayer, or make the connection in ds's mind between the make-believe world of his stuffed toys, and God (not a connection I'd encourage). Or is it just his 3 y o natural self?

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MaryBS · 12/10/2008 09:24

I agree, its certainly not trivialising prayer. Of course, if he's still doing it when he's 18 you might need to have a word

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Nettee · 12/10/2008 10:30

Thank you MaryBS - this is probably the sort of praying I mostly do - please let me catch the train, get to work on time, find somewhere to park etc - I like the way PandaG put it about praying for the small things as a way of being with God all the time.

MaryBS · 12/10/2008 12:57

Its like that hymn "take it to the Lord in prayer". So long as we remember to thank him afterwards, I DO try to do that as well !

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MaryBS · 12/10/2008 20:13

Glad it helped

I find it interesting comparing how I see "God as Father", compared to those a generation older than me. "Father" to me, is someone to be close to, to show love to, and to be loved by, although I appreciate not everyone has this experience. A generation older, "Father" is a remote, austere figure, who punishes and disciplines, but may sparingly hand out praise. And I believe this has coloured firstly how I see God, but also those a generation older - who see God as more remote and austere.

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Notquitegrownup · 13/10/2008 09:15

Oops Just got back to this thread. I used to eat tinned peaches, not tinned parents!!! lol

DutchOma · 13/10/2008 10:10

To me, the whole thing is about relationships. God has made that relationship possible through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ, of ourselves we wouldn't have a hope. I believe that relationship enriches our lives here on earth (abundant life) and will carry on in death. That relationship needs to be maintained by me, God will not force Himself on me, although He delights in our company just like an earthly parent does in a right relationship with their child.
So I talk to Him, in everything that has a bearing on my life. It's not about asking for things so much as being with God, as PandaG has said. And it is realising that, even when we don't understand God, we can trust Him to have the larger view.
I remember praying for David Watson, about twenty years ago. The whole country was praying for him, Lord, how we prayed. Of course David Watson has been dead for twenty years. He wasn't cured but he was healed. What kind of a God would it be if we, with our puny minds could understand Him?

amber32002 · 13/10/2008 10:29

No, I don't think praying for our own needs is wrong.

Jesus took time out in the desert when he needed to think. He withdrew from the crowds and prayed when he was out of strength. He even broke the rules on eating when he grabbed some food from a field, if I remember correctly. He prayed to God when facing the perils ahead of him on the Cross.

I remember an old saying - that even someone whose job it is to harvest the corn must take time out to sharpen their blade, else the harvest will be damaged.
Praying for our own needs can help sharpen the 'blade' that is our skill in helping and encouraging others to faith?

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