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The Mark of the beast - will your kids be getting one?

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mamadadawahwah · 27/01/2005 11:28

Posted this originally in parenting, should have posted it here.

For those of you who believe/interpret revelations, what is your take on the "mark"? When the chip comes, will you be lining up in the queue? Or will you be protesting? Ya ya, i know its already here, and thats the scary part. Any body got a fresh take on what the "mark" means?
"For those who hath wisdom"...

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nailpolish · 27/01/2005 16:11

moondog, i think im in love with your laptop. please dont ever get it fixed, makes me lol every time !!!

SkiBunnyFlummy · 27/01/2005 16:18

I WAS JOKING !!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't work in typing though does it. I always forget to use the little smilies.

moondog · 27/01/2005 16:19

Well, me too!
Glad someone likes the cronky old laptop np!

SkiBunnyFlummy · 27/01/2005 16:19

I like a good heated discussion. Always take the opposing view I say, whether you actually believe it or not, to hone your argumentative skills for when it really matters. ie in heated debate with FIL

moondog · 27/01/2005 16:20

Bugger! Just when I want it to continue misbehaving, it wises up!

nailpolish · 27/01/2005 16:21

must be a 'man' laptop

misdee · 27/01/2005 16:21

i thought this was a new toy or soemthign when isaw the title of the thread

moondog · 27/01/2005 16:23

Oh, completely agree SBF. Family hobby. My sister was once invited onto a tv programme to discuss pros and cons of the tv license with Alan Yentob. She was mystified, when a researcher phoned to invite her on and said 'Why did you invite me? I have no real opinion either way.'
'Oh that's irrelevant' said the researcher 'You just phone the BBC so often to disagree with stuff that we thought you'd be ideal whatever you say!'
That's the Moondog clan-argue,argue,argue.

moondog · 27/01/2005 16:24

lol np!

SkiBunnyFlummy · 27/01/2005 16:32

fYeah but it can get you into trouble. Doing philosophy as a side subject at Uni I was given the pro side of an abortion debate. I argued that it was acceptable for the mother to kill newborn baby, simply by argument continuation. I didn't really think it but argued it v. vehemently nonetheless. Only the Prof would continue the argument all the others were so shocked they refused to speak to me.

moondog · 27/01/2005 16:34

I started doing philosophy at uni-dropped it when the lecturer told me gently that we were discussing OTHER people's ideas. My own had to wait a bit!!

SkiBunnyFlummy · 27/01/2005 16:39

Ha ha ah Moon Dog. You sound v. like me. DP says that listening to me and my BF talk is just that we are waiting for the other one to finish so we can give our opinion again without listening to the others,

I know so little, but have an opinion on so much.

Anyway, back to me.

amynnixmum · 27/01/2005 16:39

LOL Moondog. I always had a headache after philosophy lectures.

miam · 27/01/2005 17:55

The scripture you are asking about is at Revelation 13:16 and 17. It says that 'the beast', which is the world of mankind that is alienated from God, would make increasing demands shortly before its end, putting 'under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark.' Revelation is a symbolic book. A mark in the right hand is a symbol of active support. The Expositor’s Greek Testament says about the 'mark on the forehead': “This highly figurative allusion is to the habit of marking soldiers and slaves with a conspicuous tattoo or brand . . . ; or, better still, to the religious custom of wearing a god’s name as a talisman.” Many humans by their actions and words symbolically wear this mark, identifying themselves as “slaves” or “soldiers” of the “beast.” (Revelation 13:3, 4) In other words, those who symbolically have their hands or foreheads marked are symbolically showing themselves as haven given their allegiance to this earthly system, as opposed to giving their allegiance to god.

miam · 27/01/2005 17:57

Oops, should preview...

The scripture you are asking about is at Revelation 13:16 and 17. It says that 'the beast', which is the world of mankind that is alienated from God, would make increasing demands shortly before its end, putting 'under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark.' Revelation is a symbolic book. A mark in the right hand is a symbol of active support. The Expositor’s Greek Testament says about the 'mark on the forehead': 'This highly figurative allusion is to the habit of marking soldiers and slaves with a conspicuous tattoo or brand or, better still, to the religious custom of wearing a god's name as a talisman.' Many humans by their actions and words symbolically wear this mark, identifying themselves as 'slaves' or 'soldiers' of the 'beast.' (Revelation 13:3, 4) In other words, those who symbolically have their hands or foreheads marked are symbolically showing themselves as haven given their allegiance to this earthly system, as opposed to giving their allegiance to god.

Angeliz · 27/01/2005 18:00

That Mike Leigh film is one of my favourites Moondog.
It's called Naked, and i'm sure that 'end of the world' speech won some kind of award!

ionesmum · 27/01/2005 20:02

Personally speaking, and I don't want to offend anyone, I've always believed Revelation to be the nightmare vision of an old man (John) in exile on Patmos. This is quite a common view among theologians, I believe. Yes, the Bible is uncomfortable at times, but it is also something that has come down through people and it has got flawed.

Moomina · 27/01/2005 20:06

Oooh, David Thewlis. Definitely near the top of my 'ugly men you really fancy' list...

(Apologies for unbelievably inane hijack)

moondog · 27/01/2005 20:45

That's it! Naked!! Man, it blew me away especially that speech! I never really hear anyone else discuss it, let alone mention it until
now.
(Moomina, I'm with you on that one !)

It's intersting to hear what people who know their bibles very well have to say about this. I'll have to quiz bil-he's a minister.

Angeliz · 27/01/2005 20:47

I also love the speech in the night with his X.
(You've had nature explained to you and you're bored with it, you've had the universe explained to you and you're bored with it......[smile0 )

I'll have to watch it one night!

moondog · 27/01/2005 20:51

Yes, it's one of those films you have to see again because it's so full of brilliant stuff that you can't take it all in in one go.
I love Mike Leigh. 'Life is Sweet' is another HUGE favourite chez Moondog.
(Sorry, know I'm veering off topic now, just so pleased to be reminded of that film.)

dramaqueen72 · 27/01/2005 20:52

i'm sorry, i'm sure its a very serous thread...but beachyhead you make me so very much LOL, if your credit card doesnt work, you'd do anything.
lol
me too, well if DH's credit card doesnt work i'll do anything.

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mamadadawahwah · 27/01/2005 23:48

Anyway, to answer my question if anyone would like to, will you let your kids take a chip in their head or hand (something I consider to be a mark of the beast, if its for trading)???

When it comes time (and it dosent seem too far off) for your kids to be chipped or you to be chipped fo that matter, will you do it? Will you think about it? Its one thing having a piece of plastic to buy and sell, but i think its quite another to be tagged personally, in the body. We do it to our animals and some people already have done it to their kids to keep "track" of them.

Will you do it if its sold to us as something useful and socially acceptable?

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Mummyloves · 28/01/2005 00:07

I've really lost the track of this thread but if you're talking about a personal form of identification and tracking then.... depending upon what other provisions are made in legislation, then yes!
As far as identification is concerned, I think it's inheritantly reasonable to be able to identify an individual - DNA, who their parents are etc. I do not believe that an individual will ever be able to live a life of anonymity, without being intertwined with the state. NHS for medical ecords, police, for criminal recors, some sort of identity for state housing, or otherwise for personal credit ratings etc. How many of us can live an existence of self reliance with no links to education, state funding, etc etc.... Give me an example and I'll consider it. Can anyone really disappear with no consequences? If you were to disappear today, without going on a remote Island and eating tropical fruit, never raising a family and relying on medical care with any sort of financial consequence why should we be anonymous? I can't see what's wrong with it personally.

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mamadadawahwah · 28/01/2005 00:11

thanks for replying. Interesting response.

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