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Some ( hopefully respectful), questions for Christians ?

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chattycaterpillar · 22/03/2022 18:26

Okay, so I am newly pregnant, and I guess this is making me explore faith. I truly believe there is a God or higher power, as the idea the world started from nothing doesn't make sense to me. However, I do have some questions about Christianity. I want to believe, ( I have Christian colleagues who clearly do, and appear to have an amazing sense of peace), but I do have a lot of doubt about Christian doctrine. I guess I'd be too polite to ask these questions in real life, so I'm hoping the religion board can answer:

  1. Do Christian's believe the old testament is true ? Because, if so, God's behaviour in trying to make Abraham think he had to knife his only child to death, or flooding and killing the entire planet, ( as in Noah's Ark), doesn't seem that nice at all....

  2. Why is belief so important to salvation ? What happenned to the people who lived before Christ was crucified ? How could they possibly have had any chance ?

Even after the crucifixion, there mist have been millions of people living in other continents, ( e.g. Australia), who would never have heard of Christianity and so never have been given a chance as whether to believe or not. What happens to them ?

Surely , nowadays, a child growing up in a Christian home, ( or even in a secular home in a Christian country), would be much more likely to turn to Christianity than a child growing up in a Muslim/ Hindu / Sikh/ Jewish/ Buddhist home in a predominately Muslim/ Hindu/ Sikh/ Jewish Bhuddist country. So if you have an 18 year old from a Christian home in a christian country who dies of leukimia they would go to heaven, but an 18 year old Hindu who has been brought up in a Hindu country, ( India), dies of leukimia on the same day they would go to hell ? Even though the 18 year old had been exposed to Christianity since birth ? That doesn't seem a fair or equal chance to me.

And what about children ? What happens to unbaptised babies or children, who have no say in the matter ? Adults with learning disabilities or serious mental illness, ( e.g schizophrenia), which might make them believe they are deities/ the son of God etc.

And finally, I believe we believe men wrote the bible ? Do they believe God told men what to write exactly ? Because if not, why would Paul's opinions be anymore worthy of weight than any other vicar ?

I hope this doesn't sound rude, I'm generally trying to learn more. Logically, I almost certainly believe there is a God, but struggle with the above >

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CocoLoco123 · 24/03/2022 23:04

Like, why would God answer a prayer hoping X does well in his French GCSE, when he has the other, ( much more serious prayers), r.e. cancer, HIV, War, abuse to answer first ?

Some Christians (like Catholics) pray to Saints and we believe that each Saint has its own 'area of expertise', for the lack of better word. So effectively we're asking Saints to take our prayers to God/ pray to God on our behalf.

JulieYS · 25/03/2022 19:12

Hi ChattyCaterpillar,
Congratulations on your new pregnancy - how exciting!
Of course everyone here is entitled to their own opinion - it's a basic human right! But surely God's opinion matters too - perhaps more than anything. So I'm going to attempt to answer your questions from what I understand is the Bible's view, also adding in my own thoughts here and there. Hope that's okay!

1) Do Christian's believe the old testament is true ? Because, if so, God's behaviour in trying to make Abraham think he had to knife his only child to death, or flooding and killing the entire planet, ( as in Noah's Ark), doesn't seem that nice at all....
As a Christian myself, I believe the old testament (or as I prefer to call it ‘the Hebrew scriptures’) is definitely true. The amazing thing about the entire Bible is that it’s a collection of about 66 books, penned by some 40 different writers of varying backgrounds from kings to shepherds, spanning a period of about 1,600 years - yet all the books harmonise perfectly, and develop the same theme: from paradise lost to paradise regained.
You would expect a book authored by God to be like no other, and accurate in every way: for example, time and again the Bible’s historical record has been substantiated when archaeologists and historians have uncovered new information; when it touches on science it is always correct; when prophecies are made, they come true in exact detail.
Yes there are certain things in the Bible that may seem shocking – but context and background often help us to understand better. If I told you that 12 people and a ringleader decided to kill someone, that definitely sounds terrible. But if I explained the context: a jury of 12, overseen by a wise judge, weighed up the evidence against a serial killer, and decided to give the death penalty, then that helps us see that something was justified. Likewise, God had a reason to ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, though he stopped him at the last moment. God also had a reason for bringing the flood.

2) Why is belief so important to salvation ? What happenned to the people who lived before Christ was crucified ? How could they possibly have had any chance ?
God, as our Creator, knows what’s best for us – like any mother and father knows what’s best for their children. So as a loving father, he put down guidelines in the Bible to help us not only learn more about him, but also how best to live our lives, and how to be approved by him and have a healthy relationship with him – i.e. to gain ‘salvation’. In the old testament, you will see that God definitely had a belief system which enabled people to have a relationship with him, before Christ. In the book of Psalms 37:39 (old testament) it says, “…the salvation of the righteous is of the Lord; he is their strength in the time of trouble.”

Even after the crucifixion, there mist have been millions of people living in other continents, ( e.g. Australia), who would never have heard of Christianity and so never have been given a chance as whether to believe or not. What happens to them ?
Surely , nowadays, a child growing up in a Christian home, ( or even in a secular home in a Christian country), would be much more likely to turn to Christianity than a child growing up in a Muslim/ Hindu / Sikh/ Jewish/ Buddhist home in a predominately Muslim/ Hindu/ Sikh/ Jewish Bhuddist country. So if you have an 18 year old from a Christian home in a christian country who dies of leukimia they would go to heaven, but an 18 year old Hindu who has been brought up in a Hindu country, ( India), dies of leukimia on the same day they would go to hell ? Even though the 18 year old had been exposed to Christianity since birth ? That doesn't seem a fair or equal chance to me.
Wow, you’ve really thought about things - I like that! While many believe that God accepts all religions, when you think about it, each religion has different moral codes, values, with very different salvation beliefs – e.g. going to heaven, being reincarnated, or your spirit returning to nature, etc – so how can all these conflicting ideas be acceptable to God? It’s like a parent telling each of their children very different things, confusing them, dividing them.
God made all humans, from all races, and all cultures, so where we were born should not matter to him. Surely it would make more sense for God to have one faith that included people from all countries. The apostle Peter said in Acts 10:35, “but in every nation he who fears him and practices righteousness is acceptable to him.” Also, Ephesians 4:5 says, “one Lord, one faith, one baptism.”
By the way, the idea of hell being an eternal fiery torment is nowhere in the Bible. Just as a loving parent would never put their disobedient child’s hand on a fire, even for a short time, our loving God would never eternally burn someone in hell – that’s just plain evil! “God is love” says 1 John 4:8.

And what about children ? What happens to unbaptised babies or children, who have no say in the matter ? Adults with learning disabilities or serious mental illness, ( e.g schizophrenia), which might make them believe they are deities/ the son of God etc.
God is loving, wise, kind, and just. So whenever there are situations that are not quite black and white, we know he will do the right thing. That includes understanding when people have extenuating circumstances or situations, like mental illness, or who have been abused, or died before being baptised. “In God – whose word I praise – in God I put my trust; I am not afraid.” Psalm 56:4

And finally, I believe we believe men wrote the bible ? Do they believe God told men what to write exactly ? Because if not, why would Paul's opinions be anymore worthy of weight than any other vicar ?
The 40 or so men who wrote the Bible did so under God’s inspiration: “All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16,17. The original word translated ‘inspired’ came from the Greek word ‘theopneustos’ which literally means ‘God-breathed’. So God gave them the ideas to write down, but I like to think that some, like the apostle Paul who wrote so many books, also injected their own personality into the writing. Paul was a very learned man, and I often find his writing quite deep and complex…

Hope the above wasn't too long-winded for you, ChattyCaterpillar! But I wanted to justify your valid questions. I truly believe that God wrote the Bible for a reason, to show us all the path to find him, and to answer our questions - no matter who we are, and where we live...

coffeeisthebest · 01/04/2022 09:47

No one can give you the reassurance in either direction that you appear to be asking for. The truth is that you need to find you own way through all this stuff. Don't allow anyone else's beliefs to stifle your own if it doesn't settle well with you. It's ok to question and query, but don't fall in to the trap of believing that anyone else knows more than you in regard to their spiritual beliefs, they just know differently than you about their own beliefs. The flip side of this is that you can't and won't know better than anyone else, we are all kind of in the same boat. All trying to steer our own paths.

JulieYS · 01/04/2022 12:49

The bible is God's guidance to mankind, precisely so that we can find our way to him.
I don't think he would be a loving God, as he definitely is, if he just left us aimless to find our own way.
My intention was not to stifle anyone, but to pinpoint scriptures from the bible that might helps answer the poster's specific questions - i.e. they're not my own beliefs, they are what anyone can read for themselves from the bible.

CraftyGin · 01/04/2022 14:16

1) Do Christian's believe the old testament is true ? Because, if so, God's behaviour in trying to make Abraham think he had to knife his only child to death, or flooding and killing the entire planet, ( as in Noah's Ark), doesn't seem that nice at all....

All Scripture is god-breathed.... So yes.

2) Why is belief so important to salvation ? What happenned to the people who lived before Christ was crucified ? How could they possibly have had any chance ?

The answer to this is not given directly in the Bible. But we know that God is faithful and just...

CraftyGin · 01/04/2022 14:23

The power of prayer:

start at 9:20

veggiemonster · 01/04/2022 17:44

It sounds ridiculous because it is. There are no answers to your questions because none of it makes sense.

HotPenguin · 01/04/2022 18:01

I can't really answer for Christians because I have a very vague faith, I call myself Christian but many Christians would say I'm not really.

However I think many people, including vicars, have the same doubts you are expressing.

Personally I think all faiths are paths to god (apart from eg satanism) and broadly speaking they all have the same ideas about being good to other people.

There's a lot of history that has defined what Christians are "meant" to believe, for example there was once a common belief that the world was bad and controlled by Satan, and you could only achieve peace and goodness through god. But that was deemed heretical, and people with those views were rounded up and killed. It was all to do with power and wealth, not religion. So you can't really take what the Bible or the church says as the final word. If different sects had won in church power struggles Christianity might look quite different.

bustersword · 01/04/2022 19:09

Personally I think all faiths are paths to god (apart from eg satanism) and broadly speaking they all have the same ideas about being good to other people.

Some of the Satanists I know are much better and being good to other people than some of the Christians.

MiniDaffodils · 01/04/2022 22:31

@bustersword

Personally I think all faiths are paths to god (apart from eg satanism) and broadly speaking they all have the same ideas about being good to other people.

Some of the Satanists I know are much better and being good to other people than some of the Christians.

Jesus always said he was here for the sinners not the saints (luckily for me as I am far from perfect). Who needs a hospital? The sick or the well?
chisanunian · 01/04/2022 22:43

@chattycaterpillar

Okay, so I am newly pregnant, and I guess this is making me explore faith. I truly believe there is a God or higher power, as the idea the world started from nothing doesn't make sense to me. However, I do have some questions about Christianity. I want to believe, ( I have Christian colleagues who clearly do, and appear to have an amazing sense of peace), but I do have a lot of doubt about Christian doctrine. I guess I'd be too polite to ask these questions in real life, so I'm hoping the religion board can answer:
  1. Do Christian's believe the old testament is true ? Because, if so, God's behaviour in trying to make Abraham think he had to knife his only child to death, or flooding and killing the entire planet, ( as in Noah's Ark), doesn't seem that nice at all....

  2. Why is belief so important to salvation ? What happenned to the people who lived before Christ was crucified ? How could they possibly have had any chance ?

Even after the crucifixion, there mist have been millions of people living in other continents, ( e.g. Australia), who would never have heard of Christianity and so never have been given a chance as whether to believe or not. What happens to them ?

Surely , nowadays, a child growing up in a Christian home, ( or even in a secular home in a Christian country), would be much more likely to turn to Christianity than a child growing up in a Muslim/ Hindu / Sikh/ Jewish/ Buddhist home in a predominately Muslim/ Hindu/ Sikh/ Jewish Bhuddist country. So if you have an 18 year old from a Christian home in a christian country who dies of leukimia they would go to heaven, but an 18 year old Hindu who has been brought up in a Hindu country, ( India), dies of leukimia on the same day they would go to hell ? Even though the 18 year old had been exposed to Christianity since birth ? That doesn't seem a fair or equal chance to me.

And what about children ? What happens to unbaptised babies or children, who have no say in the matter ? Adults with learning disabilities or serious mental illness, ( e.g schizophrenia), which might make them believe they are deities/ the son of God etc.

And finally, I believe we believe men wrote the bible ? Do they believe God told men what to write exactly ? Because if not, why would Paul's opinions be anymore worthy of weight than any other vicar ?

I hope this doesn't sound rude, I'm generally trying to learn more. Logically, I almost certainly believe there is a God, but struggle with the above >

I'm a Christian and I struggle with all of the above too - hence the reason I don't go to church. I'm uncomfortable with someone standing in fromt of me and telling me how to think and what I should believe. I certainly don't take the Old Testament literally, and I also struggle with a lot of the parables (or at least they way they have been interpreted, which has probably changed drastically over the years).

Perhaps I'm too much of a cynic to be religious!

LifeExperience · 01/04/2022 23:15
  1. The Canaanites, i.e., the other tribes who lived in the same land as Abraham, routinely immolated their newborn children in worship of their god Moloch. God spends much of the early Old Testament expressing His horror at this act and telling the people of Abraham not to kill their children, that He did not want or require that kind of sacrifice. That exhortation occurs again and again in the early books as God gives Abraham explicit instructions on how to sacrifice animals, not people, in worship. This is part of that instruction. The point of the story is not that God sent Abraham to the mountain with the Isaac, it is that he stopped Abraham from killing Isaac, again emphasizing the type of worship he did and did not want.
LifeExperience · 01/04/2022 23:38
  1. Until the time of the New Testament, God's people worshipped by sacrificing animals, as God had decreed. Salvation was obtained by strictly adhering to a series of acts and behaviors, called the Law. The Law differentiated the little band of Abraham's people from everyone else on earth. Adhering to the Law invoked, for lack of a better word, the covenant God had made with Abraham and his descendants.

Thousands of years on, humanity was now at a point in history where deeper understanding of God was possible. So God changed the old covenant into a new one. He sent a Saviour, whose coming was foreshadowed in the Old Testament. This Saviour, Jesus, was fully human and fully God. He preached a new way of relating to God, explaining that God no longer required physical sacrifice, but a sacrifice of heart and soul. Instead of keeping to a complicated series of behavioral rules, God now wanted a personal relationship with each human being.To seal this new Covenant God accepted one final human sacrifice, the torture and death of his only Son. This new covenant requires only one thing of humans--that they believe. In return God offers eternal life.

Cherryana · 01/04/2022 23:42
  1. No. It needs to be read in context to be understood. Lots of misunderstandings have been repeated over many years and become ‘fact’ - when they are no such thing. Also bias, and dramatic effect all play a part in the writings.
  1. God looks at the heart. We have been taught quite a narrow interpretation of salvation that encourages an ‘in/out’ ‘right/wrong’ mentality but that is not what salvation is. It’s a whole heart, body, soul healing that allows a person to live from love not ego. Also everyone, everywhere is a mixture of good and bad, - and so I trust God is a good judge and ultimately a healer. Therefore time/space is not an issue for God as it is for us. So what time frame/ location a person is not an issue, as God will be looking at their hearts, their acts of kindness and compassion etc.
  1. The bible is a collection of books with different authors and it does include at least one woman ( Hebrews in the NT) but the collection of books were chosen around 300 - 400 AD. There is an element of why were those chosen and others rejected? But that is quite a question! Paul’s letters are special though because he had a special role to fulfil. As Jesus came to demonstrate God’s love. Paul had the role of explaining it. Which is why his interpretations are important and why reading the bible without context can easily lead to misunderstandings.
supersonicspider · 02/04/2022 08:23

Read up on some physics books to find out how the universe began. Then just try to live your life as a good person - simple.

Skye99 · 18/04/2022 23:45

Hi chattycaterpillar. I just saw your thread and wanted to contribute, although late. I was where you are years ago, and it took me three years working through all my questions and objections. I did become a Christian at the end of that. It was C S Lewis’ book Mere Christianity that started me looking.

Here’s a verse that someone gave to me when I was looking:

‘“You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you,“ declares the Lord’ (Jeremiah 29.13-14).

I’d like to encourage you to persevere. If you seek God, and you mean to follow him if you find him, you will find him.

I can recommend the Alpha courses. They are generally a good experience that people enjoy. I went on a similar course and have helped on a few Alpha courses.

I agree with the person who suggested Timothy Keller’s books Making Sense of God and The Reason for God. Mere Christianity is also very interesting. You might find the Reasonable Faith website helpful, and John Lennox’s books and YouTube videos.

When I was seeking I liked autobiographies that told me about people’s experiences of God and of life with him, such as God’s Smuggler by Brother Andrew.

Please feel free to ask me anything. PM me if you want.

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