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Any non-Catholics who pray the rosary, or Catholics who can give me some answers?

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Pandypuff · 20/03/2022 03:29

Some background: I'm a Christian. I'd say a devout Christian. I was brought up C of E but don't relate to this church so much any more for various reasons. There are a lot of things that they have started to do that I feel isn't quite right.

I work abroad a lot these days, so my family and I tend to find the church that feels 'right' when I arrive somewhere new. (Sometimes takes a very long time to find the right church! And sometimes none of them feel 'right'.)

At the moment I think I don't feel entirely comfortable commiting to any church denomination entirely, but I am exploring again and strengthening my personal relationship with God. There are elements of different denominations that I feel are wonderful and elements that I feel aren't quite right or don't sit entirely right with my conscious and/or understanding of God. I suppose I am wary of being told what to believe by committing to one church denomination rather than learning what I believe and what I feel is right through prayer and reading the bible. (Although I am also wary of relying on my own understanding which is another complication 😂 maybe I think too much).

I have always been drawn to certain elements of the Catholic Church. At one point I was drawn to all of it, but over time I've learned more and realized that there are a number of things I'm not comfortable with in the Catholic church too. (Struggling to find some biblical background for certain things, mainly.) But I learned 'Hail Mary' as a child and have always found it so comforting, and if I'm honest I always felt a bit miserable and disappointed when I was told by other non-Catholics that this shouldn't be said. I recently learned to pray the rosary by myself out of curiosity and I find it very powerful. I actively look forward to it. I feel it brings me a sense of peace and feeling of clarity and understanding and appreciation that maybe other forms of prayer haven't so much.

However, a part of me has a sense of guilt about it, I think due to the fact that some of the churches I've been to have been quite vocal about praying to Mary being a type of idolatry.

I also don't entirely accept this, though. I have read about the role of the Queen Mother in the Old Testament, the important role she played, her powerful influence on the King and how she would intercede on behalf of people to take their requests to the King. I feel that it makes sense that Mary would be given this same role as mother of Christ. But it worries me that some very important parts like the the Assumption and the Coronation of Mary as Queen of Heaven and Earth can't be found in the bible. It seems pretty important yet it's not in the bible. It bothers me.

I'm also a little uncomfortable with the Pope, confession to priests rather than directly to God, and basically the whole idea that we need any kind of middle man (for want of a better word) between ourselves and God.

The wealth of the Catholic church and splendor of their churches and their property doesn't feel quite right to me either, it seems that this isn't something that Jesus would like.

I'm not saying this to criticise the Catholic church, I'm actually hoping someone will come along and explain some of these things to me or give me some kind of satisfying answer. I really feel like I want an answer that will put these issues to rest in my heart.

And I also want to find any other non-Catholics who pray the rosary, or ask whether there is anyone here who would/feels that it's okay/isn't idolatry? Or maybe even Catholics feel that non-Catholics shouldn't do this?

I'm feeling like I'm on a bit of a confusing journey at the moment and would love to hear some thoughts!

Many thanks!

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TheBigPeach · 28/03/2022 15:21

Fr Chris Alar is on YouTube he does a series of talks every Saturday on the Divine Mercy YouTube channel. He’s also very good to reply if you have questions you can email him, his order is based in Massachusetts.
Here’s a talk he did on the rosary it’s a two part one I believe

LauriePartridge4Eva · 28/03/2022 16:12

Hi OP. Absolutely pray the Rosary if you want to. It is the life of Jesus through the eyes of Mary - where Mary was, so we are. And where Mary is, so we will be. We say Hail Marys over and over as the repetition over and over becomes a meditation and we can enter deep thought of these important times in the lives of Jesus and Mary.

Mary is an exceptionally important figure in Catholicism. We do not worship her...we accept and honour her as Our Mother and as the Mother of Jesus we know He will always listen to her, as at the Wedding of Cana. She will always intercede for us just as any mother would.

We have another Devotion - the Five Saturdays that was given at Fatima. We believe Jesus wishes to establish in the world devotion to Mary's Immaculate Heart alongside the devotion we have to the Sacred Heart. Just last Friday, Russia was consecrated to the Immaculate Heart.

I hate to see or hear people dismiss Mary. I truly think it is displeasing to God to diminish His holy Mother in any way. Without Mary and her 'fiat', there is no salvation. She has promised that whoever says the Rosary, she will help at the hour of death with all graces necessary for salvation. And I truly believe she will.

Jesus founded the Catholic Church. All other religions or faiths are not the ones He founded. They are heretical (I don't mean offence by that...it is our beliefs as Catholics) and He said not even the gates of Hell would prevail against this true faith, this true Church. But Satan would try and the apostasy would reach the very top of the Church. It has been infiltrated by many, many people who want to destroy it, That there have been so many problems with the Church yet still it prevails, doesn't make me lose hope - it just is more proof that the Catholic Church is the Kingdom of God on earth.

Wishing you many blessings.

Ringmaster27 · 28/03/2022 16:30

‘ I'm also a little uncomfortable with the Pope, confession to priests rather than directly to God, and basically the whole idea that we need any kind of middle man (for want of a better word) between ourselves and God.’

This with bells on.
I was raised in a staunchly Catholic home, but after beginning to raise questions in my pre-teen years, I quite quickly fell out of faith in the church and am now as atheist as they come.
I always felt like the Pope and the way the priest ruled over our congregation like lord of the manor wasn’t remotely the idea I had of faith. Who are these oh so important men who presume to tell me how my relationship with God should play out? Didn’t sit right with me, even at 11/12 years old.
I was swiftly booted out of Sunday school for asking “inappropriate questions”. I continued to attend mass (but was banished to the very back pew), still prayed the rosary at home with my Grandma etc, but from then on, my faith was on my terms until I completely sacked it all off when the talk of my upcoming confirmation started and it all just felt so wrong.
It’s such a personal relationship, the way I look at it, there’s no right or wrong way. You do what feels right to you - even if that means private worship and you don’t attend a church 🤷🏻‍♀️

Namenic · 28/03/2022 18:04

I don’t pray the rosary, but I believe the words are biblical words:
Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42. So to celebrate, meditate and wonder at these words and Mary’s great example isn’t a bad thing. I personally am uncomfortable addressing the words to Mary - I dunno how RCs use the prayer (though I think Mary is probably praying for me whether I ask her to or not!). I believe from what is written in Acts that it is unlikely that those early Christians addressed dead christians in their prayers - why not ask Abraham and Moses to intercess too - as the disciples saw them at the transfiguration. BUT I don’t have absolute evidence for this and RCs/orthodox could say the evidence contradicts it. In any case, I consider it a minor point. I wish you well on your journey.

BiBabbles · 28/03/2022 18:20

Some see it as idolatry, others see it as a focus item, and a range inbetween them. There are tens of thousands of denominations and pretty much everything is up for debate between them.

I know some Quakers who use rosary beads, and as your discomfort is around intermediaries, they might be a useful thing to check out in your journey.

Sailorsusan · 28/03/2022 18:33

I am a fair weather born catholic but I am always welcomed as are non-catholics, and our priest and deacon are actually CofE converts. And anyone actually. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with you saying the rosary!

2Gen · 28/03/2022 19:54

I'm a Catholic and I think it's wonderful you've found such spiritual comfort in the Rosary. I should pray it more often myself.
It makes me sad when Christians misunderstand Catholic devotion to Mary. She is the first Christian, the woman whose "Yes" to God enabled Our Lord to become human, He gets all His humanity from her, she the woman who reared Him and is considered The New Arc of the Covenant in our Faith. We believe she has only one desire and that is to lead souls to her Son. Every Rosary brings one closer to Christ through Mary's help and intercession. She is in Heaven and will always speak for us to Almighty God if we ask her through our prayers and devotions.
I can understand your reservations with the Vatican; many Catholics share them, including me. It is run by human beings, which means by flawed persons and thus, there is wrong-doing, corruption and sin. However, I do believe in having a Pope because the Office of Pope was created by Our Lord when He gave St. Peter the Keys to the Kingdom, as told in the Gospels. I am not a great fan of Francis, although he has just consecrated Russia, along with Ukraine and all of humanity, to Mary's Immaculate Heart as she requested at Fatima in 1917. We will see if Heaven accepts it or not from what happens in the next few years. I am hoping and praying that at least my son will live in the time of peace and prosperity she said would come if the consecration was done properly. He was the not the Pope I expected would do it, as he's very modernist, so it was a very nice surprise.
I wonder if your reservations about priests is because they are mere human beings? They are, but they are used by God as channels and have been ordained in Holy Orders to be such. Only an ordained priest can do the consecration of the bread and wine so God can miraculously change it to the Body and Blood of Christ. Only an ordained priest can give the other Sacraments too, such as Confession and Last Rites, all of which impart Graces that can be a great help to a Christian to do God's Will when he or she might feel more like doing his/her own! Being a Christian can be demanding, especially in this secular age and we need help; God offers this help through the Sacraments and only a priest can give it. It doesn't mean that your own prayers, devotions and sacrifices mean less, but the Sacraments help one's spiritual strength and draw one even closer to God.
Anyway, keep praying the Rosary, you're not committing idolatory as the prayer is asking Mary to pray for us, not praying TO her as if she were divine. We believe she is sinless and elevated but just a human creature like us, not divine at all! Also one says the Apostle's Creed to begin with , 5 Our Fathers and Glory Be's. The one I say also uses the Fatima prayer which I say every day anyway.
"O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy. Amen."
Anyway @Pandypuff, may God bless and keep you. Please say a prayer for me and I will for you!

JulieYS · 29/03/2022 12:48

@Pandypuff
Aw thank you! That means a lot.

It's not my wisdom, it's the Bible's - but hey, I'll take the compliment! Smile

LauriePartridge4Eva · 29/03/2022 20:37

@2Gen Beautifully said. Everything women might go though in life...unexpected pregnancy, being a refugee, bereavement, losing sight of their children, their children suffering...Mary has been there! She has gone through everything possible as a mother and as a girl then a woman. It's a beautiful, relatable prayer, for everyone.

JulieYS · 30/03/2022 14:42

@Fernandina
Yes we each have our own relationship with God - but as with all relationships, they're two-sided. Doesn't God have the right to let us know how we should be worshipping him?

Oblomov22 · 30/03/2022 14:52

My ds's attended Catholic primary and now Catholic secondary. I am not Catholic but very much enjoyed holy communion and praying the rosary. At primary school they all use these and it makes it so simple.

Any non-Catholics who pray the rosary, or Catholics who can give me some answers?
Oblomov22 · 30/03/2022 14:57

Rosary

Fernandina · 31/03/2022 13:47

[quote JulieYS]@Fernandina
Yes we each have our own relationship with God - but as with all relationships, they're two-sided. Doesn't God have the right to let us know how we should be worshipping him?[/quote]
And how will God do that?

JulieYS · 31/03/2022 17:20

@Fernandina

The bible.

Fernandina · 01/04/2022 13:55

[quote JulieYS]@Fernandina

The bible.[/quote]
Which one?

beattieedny · 01/04/2022 14:02

I am a Jew and have attended Mass many times with my Catholic friends when it's been a special one for them, or weddings, funerals etc, and find it very moving. I have always been welcomed and made to feel comfortable, made clear that, although I am not a Christian, I am their sister in faith in God.
Of course, as a Jewish mum, I think all Jewish mothers should be venerated Wink.

chisanunian · 01/04/2022 16:24

[quote JulieYS]@Fernandina

The bible.[/quote]
God didn't actually physically write the bible, people did. And over the milliennia, no doubt many other interpretations of the word of God have been made, again by people. Or, more accurately, men.

There is no simple answer.

thecurtainsofdestiny · 02/04/2022 20:09

OP how did you actually learn to pray the rosary? I have looked on line but it seems to assume knowledge that I don't have.

Does anyone know how to find resources about this?

ZenNudist · 02/04/2022 20:24

@thecurtainsofdestiny

try this link

You don't need beads, use your fingers.

Apostles creed
Our father
3 x hail Mary praying for faith hope and charity
Glory be

Then announce a mystery, use the link. Pray by day. Its Saturday so I'm praying joyful mysteries

Our father
10x Hail Mary thinking about the mystery
Use Rosary Centre or other online guides
Glory be
Fatima prayer (optional but lovely)

Repeat for each mystery, 5 times in total.

Then pray the Salve Regina (Hail Holy Queen). I memorised this one a few years ago when I started praying the Rosary along with the Fatima prayer.

Then pray the final prayer
Sign of the cross, job done

You can also announce an intention at the start of the prayer or each decade or during each decade pray for whoever you want. Bit of a mental balancing act. I suggest starting with the biblical aspects and then add intentions as you get used to it.

You can either pray quickly to get through it or as it should be done with reflection. One inspiring person told me they think of each mystery as a crown (or bouquet) of roses they knit together and offer to Mary. Some of mine sometimes end up dog eared but I persist!

thecurtainsofdestiny · 02/04/2022 20:29

Thanks @ZenNudist

Do you just think about the mystery for the day? Imagine it? Read about it?

LyndaLaHughes · 02/04/2022 20:34

I can be heartily recommend the busted halo website. They have lots of fabulous videos to explain aspects of Catholicism. I use them often with children.

Confession is more reconciliation and that is the term used now. It is a sacrament of healing and is about repairing our relationships with self, others and God so not a negative at all. The priest is merely a representative of God on earth.

Brenna24 · 02/04/2022 20:43

I am not a cradle Catholic but was baptised as an adult. There is still a lot for me to learn but my understanding is that the rosary is a request to Mary for intercession and to pray for us and a meditation on the sacred mysteries as important parts of the Bible story. I can't see why you can't pray it.

One of our priests doesn't like confession being referred to as that. It is the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which had many parts to it, one of which is the act of confession. Before that you have the examination of your conscience (which is done outside of the confessional) and then comes confession then the act of contrition which involves a resolution not to commit those sins again. A good priest will guide you in how to adjust your mindset and actions to avoid repeating your errors. The priest is acting as god's representative for this and I believe the reason why it is important to confess out loud to a priest rather than directly to God is that it focuses you more to say things out loud to a person and also that the role of the priest in helping you change is important. Sadly I had a very bad experience with an awful priest on my 3rd ever confession which I get flashbacks to and anxiety every time I go back to the confessional. I hope that God will understand and have mercy that I now cannot really participate in the sacrament as I should.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/04/2022 22:08

Mary risked her life - literally, as an unmarried girl - to bring her child into the world. No near child = no birth. It was essential for him to be half human and without her, that couldn't have happened.

Why wouldn't her son listen to her if she asked him to help? It's the most human of behaviours to listen to your Mum even when you're all grown up and have a big and important job with your Dad.

None of the Sisters I've known would have any problem with you praying the Rosary - one had a good line in Marvel Comics catchphrases and examples to illustrate her points where the more formal versions wouldn't have the same impact - to see somebody taking tentative steps into what she truly believed and knew was the true faith would have given her great joy.

Reconciliation is bringing you back - it's where you admit things you feel are wrong/know aren't right and rather than hiding and withdrawing away, you speak them out loud so you know that even when you've done those things, you are still loved - just as when a child admits they've broken a vase playing football in the house and they're Sowwy, Mummy, rather than hiding away and crying alone, you don't reject them, you take them up in your arms so they know how much you love them and remind them not to play football indoors again.

Wherever there is power, wealth or authority over others, there are people who either go into it for the wrong reasons or get intoxicated by it along the way. It's what humans do. Religion, Politics, Money, Fame, Sex, thrills, baking cakes or anything else. And terrible things can be done by people who want to believe what they are doing is right and they deserve that power. But, as the lovely Sister would say, with great power comes great responsibility - and many more try to live up to that adage in various forms.

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