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Born again Christian... any questions?

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HmmGrey · 22/03/2021 11:18

Just that really. I came to faith last summer and it wasn’t in my plans. I was spiritual previously.

If there’s anything you would like to know then ask away

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PolarnOPirate · 23/03/2021 14:55

‘The written word is living because the word is God’

I am not religious but I always get confused when people say things like this. Like I literally don’t understand what you mean. The ‘written word’ as in, language and what I’m writing now, or the ‘written word’ as in the Bible? And... the Bible (??) is alive because God gave us the ability to write, or God is speaking through the Bible? Confused

It’s so offputting and like I’m not in the modern day anymore. I really don’t mean to be offensive but I’m genuinely not clever enough to understand, that phrase means nothing to me 😄 which obviously might not matter to you but if you met me and tried to convert me I’d have no idea what you were on about. Genuinely interested!

HmmGrey · 23/03/2021 15:37

Your comment made me laugh. So relatable! I too, was confused when I first started exploring. Genesis 1 in the Bible says something similar and I didn’t have clue.

I think there are many ways we can interpret it. The Bible says we were spoken into creation. It also says ‘the power of life and death lies in the tongue’. God created us by speaking everything into existence. When you read His word with an open heart, it can come to life because He is living. The Bible was divinely inspired (by the Holy Spirit) but penned by man, so His word is what convicts, sharpens, encourages, defines us and so much more. I’m no expert so there’s probably many other angles to come at it. God is beyond complex so it’s a meaty one Grin

We’re created in Gods image. So when we speak positive words, we invite positivity. When we speak negative words, we invite negativity. ‘Life or Death’ God is life. God’s word is what we should strive to understand and live by. It’s completely freeing!

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HmmGrey · 23/03/2021 15:38

@PolarnOPirate

Forgot to tag you in the previous Smile

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PolarnOPirate · 23/03/2021 18:00

Hmm ok! Interesting you mentioned it being freeing. I feel more confused and oppressed reading your reply 😄 The recent born again Christian thread on the AMA section, I said that I am much freer than the OP as I don’t believe in God and therefore have no one to answer to. I didn’t get an answer 😂

HmmGrey · 23/03/2021 18:45

SmileWhich makes sense... The Bible is meant to be understood in its entirety, so I can’t possibly do God’s word justice.

I can only speak from my experience. I was trying to fill my life before with things I thought made me happy. Holidays, a good box set, cheeky takeaway, family & friends, a nice bottle of wine etc. Living to get to the weekend. Now I don’t need anything to make me happy, I wake joy filled everyday. My happiness isn’t dependant on those things. They are added extras. I don’t have to rely on anyone or anything but God. People let you down but God never does. The healing, growth and peace He’s given me, outweighs what this world has to offer without Him. I could go on because what He has done for me, has been life changing.

The world is dressed up as freedom but it is full of control and oppression.

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whatmattersisthatyoulove · 25/03/2021 13:32

It's lovely for you that you have found this faith. I was brought up as a regular church goer/ Sunday school etc but have very much lost my faith as an adult. I think it's the conflict done in the name of religion, the aspect of control of women and the place of science. Can I ask how you reconcile the evolution of man, including the knowledge of many species of human including Neanderthals with the belief that homosapiens were created in His image? I'm not trying to be provocative, it's a genuine question as I would like to return to faith if I could overcome these thoughts. I took my children to a beautiful church when they were young and I loved the rhythm of the service, and the hymns. Can I also ask about the Alpha course, there's one locally every few months, and I'd like to go if it was genuinely a chance to discuss, or is it really an attempt to convert/ draw people in, that would be awkward if you didn't quickly find faith?

Wildern · 25/03/2021 13:52

movie called The Passion of Christ kept cropping up online, on various platforms or in sermons. (Lockdown life grin) I decided I was going to watch the movie and it lead to be repenting and being saved that night. It was Jesus helping me reach Him because, I was going to be in the Old Testament for a while!

So a controversially violent film that has been described as being 'a two hour and six minute snuff movie' and has faced widespread accusations of anti-Semistism, and directed by Mel Gibson, a man who has apologised for telling a police officer that 'Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world' when arrested for drink-driving, led you to 'being saved'?

Are you normally someone who doesn't interrogate her sources?

Captpike · 25/03/2021 14:24

Sorry but the idea of someone becoming a Christian because of that film is almost funny.

HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 14:51

@whatmattersisthatyoulove

Thank you 😊 God has transformed my life.

Jesus came to redefine the role of women. He frequently went against what was considered socially acceptable, to prove that we are all equal.

My vicar believes science supports God; That science is just finding answers to God’s design. I believe that to an extent. Before God revealed Himself to me, He took me through the lies of this world. He broke the false beliefs I had so I could recognise truth. I could share more of my experience but it’s maybe to controversial for Mumsnet. PM if you do want more detail Smile

Yeah, the Alpha course genuinely surprised me. I really enjoyed the experience. My church weren’t trying to convert anyone. The format is: a video each week on a different topic and then the chance to discuss after. The videos are well produced, thought-provoking and engaging. So on one week for example: they discuss how some of the biggest scientists of all time, were Christians. They also discussed the amount of historic evidence available that corroborates, with books in the Bible. Although, the course doesn’t encourage you to seek to believe by facts but by faith. There were believers, sceptics and atheists. No question was laughed or sneered at. It was a chance to really challenge everything we’ve been told/taught to believe.

I don’t think it would get awkward, it didn’t for our group anyway. Some people came to faith during the course, some after and some didn’t but are still in touch, asking questions etc

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HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 15:00

@Wildern

That movie was always going to be controversial and generate a lot of negative press. Regardless of Mel Gibson’s personal struggles and clearly twisted remarks, that movie covered the final hours of Jesus. From reading the Bible, the movie quite accurately conveys the suffering He endured.

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HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 15:04

@Captpike

I see your point Grin Although, I didn’t become a Christian because of that movie. I had knowledge of what Jesus had done for me but it hadn’t resonated fully, until I watched what He had endured. I came to faith through the spirit. The movie was me acknowledging what the cross meant.

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HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 15:04

And still means

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daisyjgrey · 25/03/2021 15:09

If I was taking to a friend about something and they said they'd pray for me/my child etc I'd be quite uncomfortable with it. Same with the 'God bless' when wishing someone goodbye/goodnight. It feels oddly violating.

Do you ask if you can pray for them?

Blueberries0112 · 25/03/2021 15:20

I have been born again Christian (Baptist) since I was 14. I had my doubts on and off but I always come back to my faith. I was baptized when I was 14 too and I hope my kids will make the same decisions

HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 15:32

@daisyjgrey

On this occasion, I didn’t. She seemed desperate for a good nights sleep, for her and her little girl. I know what God is capable of so my instinct was to say, I would pray for her. I did judge right because she was grateful. Generally, I would ask if it’s ok.

May I ask why you might find it violating or uncomfortable?

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daisyjgrey · 25/03/2021 15:36

I think because I don't believe in any of it and strongly disagree with a lot of what many religions embody. I wouldn't like someone saying they'd pray for me as I don't believe in prayer and I don't want to be involved in anything to do with any deity.

It some contexts (not the one you gave but in some I have experienced) it is used in quite a patronising manner as well, which irks me instantly 😂

daisyjgrey · 25/03/2021 15:37

That's good that you'd ask though, and it gives the person the opportunity to accept or politely decline.

HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 15:42

@Blueberries0112

Thanks for sharing Smile

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HmmGrey · 25/03/2021 15:53

@daisyjgrey

Before I came to faith, I don’t know how I would’ve reacted to be honest. So I can appreciate your reasoning.

Becoming a Christian really wasn’t in my plans. I bought the Bible at first thinking, I’ll just rule this out (kind of thing). I told my partner ‘don’t worry, I won’t turn all religious on you’ and here I am 😂 It’s transformed our relationship so he can’t complain really.

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Needahand42 · 08/04/2021 23:21

[quote HmmGrey]@daisyjgrey

Before I came to faith, I don’t know how I would’ve reacted to be honest. So I can appreciate your reasoning.

Becoming a Christian really wasn’t in my plans. I bought the Bible at first thinking, I’ll just rule this out (kind of thing). I told my partner ‘don’t worry, I won’t turn all religious on you’ and here I am 😂 It’s transformed our relationship so he can’t complain really.[/quote]
How did you broach your Christianity with your partner? I've just started coming back to my faith and so far haven't felt able to tell anyone, I think my partner would be really thrown by it and not know how to handle the idea of having "religion" be part of our lives. I've prayed for guidance about it but some experience would be good Smile

HmmGrey · 09/04/2021 00:34

Praying is one of the best things you can do Smile Praying for guidance is perfect. Consider praying for your partners heart to be open and accepting, for peace, love and trust to be abundant in your relationship. Invite God to be a part of your relationship and open the lines of communication.

Prepare in prayer first and then be upfront and honest and let Jesus smooth the way for you. To avoid the sudden shock of, FYI I’m a Christian now, I would start small and say you’re exploring. Include him, as much as he’s comfortable with. Something interesting you’ve read recently, a worship song on while you’re tidying etc. Small and subtle to begin with. Keep it light so the stigma of ‘religion’ doesn’t become a thing.

It was a little intense with my partner at first. He was a great listener but I was overzealous. I was changing and I think he was worried, where that would leave him and us. I think the biggest reassurance was seeing how positive the changes were for us both. I’m so much happier and it rubs off on him. I also suggested we get married Grin something I didn’t want previously.

The best advice God has given me, is to treat my partner like Christ. Extend endless grace, love, understanding and patience. When I’m tempted to bite over trivial things, I take it to God in prayer. I’ve seen so much transformation and growth in our relationship, by putting God first, and my partner before myself. As the Bible says, we should submit to one another. He’s naturally reciprocated and I’ve experienced things I’d longed for- but never received in our 6 years together. He’s not a romantic but he’s done so many sweet and thoughtful things, since I’ve chosen God’s way. Our relationship is better than ever.

I can never give a short answer 😂 Feel free to PM anytime, if you need anything Smile Could I also suggest that (when you’re ready) you find some other people of faith to connect with. My church does online services and it was a nice way to dip my toe in.

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Jellyfishnchips · 20/04/2021 12:30

Hi there,

I see this thread has lapsed a bit and not sure if anyone still following, but just read and wanted to comment on an earlier up point Giggorata made: “Prophetic words also sounds amazing, and also rather psychic. I wasn’t sure if the Church allowed that sort of thing... but maybe God does?”

Yes absolutely- God knows us individually and wants to speak to us and reach us very much. He loves to use his believers (flawed rabble as we are!) to be his hands and feet in a hurting world. Sometimes through a word he gives for someone else who needs it. It does take faith and courage on behalf of the believer to deliver it though! I have been in this situation with total strangers and I can tell you it’s daunting - it takes guts!

For ref I am a Christian (born again, saved as a teenager now in my late 30’s) I will give a couple of examples of specific words he has given me to give to others, which may seem psychic, but is actually just from learning to recognise God’s voice, listening and trusting him. Both took place at New Wine Christian festival a few years ago. The first was a dream I had 2 weeks before the festival, it was a strange and detailed dream involving someone’s work place (not mine), the situation there and the relationships with colleagues who were all Muslim ladies. The end of the dream showed that prayer would lead to huge breakthrough in the difficult situation there and change it for good. It was peculiar but I didn’t really think anything of the dream as it didn’t relate to anything for me. Anyway I was sat at the back of one of the teaching talks at New Wine, the room was half full, about 30 people there. Suddenly God put a pressure on my heart and drew my attention to a lady sitting on her own 4-5 rows in front of me. God told me clearly that the dream I had 2 weeks ago was for her (a total stranger) and he wanted me to go tell her(!) I squirmed in my chair for a while and felt a bit sweaty palmed and uncomfortable (what a nutty mug I am going to look like if I’ve heard wrong!!). After a while there was a break in the talk and opportunity for people to get up and go for prayer if they wanted. I heard the Lord say ‘so what are you going to do?’ So I said ok Lord, I’m going to be brave (risk looking nuts) and go tell her. I don’t know who was more shocked her or me when I spoke to her and told her what God had said and told her the dream - that it not only matched the exact details of her work place, the situation she was facing and her colleagues, but gave her the answer to prayer she had been seeking for months. She cried and hugged me. I was dumbfounded! God had given me this message without me knowing, something he planned and known and put me in the same room as the person who needed it. I felt the most incredible boost to my faith I think I’ve ever had. The second was on a different day at the festival, I was at another teaching talk which had an open session of praise and prayer at the end. I felt to go up and just join in with praying for people who had gone up. I felt led to pray for a lady who looked to be in her 50’s, she was standing with eyes closed and I just came next to her and started praying. God showed me she had a weight of grief concerning her sister and that I should pray to encourage her and that the burden of grief be lifted. Again felt a bit nervous but gently said what I felt God had shown me and she was surprised and said yes, it was right! As we prayed I felt God’s spirit move powerfully on this lovely lady and she felt a weight had been lifted from her heart about her sister.

Another time I was wandering TK Max eyeing up the bargains when God stopped me in my tracks and pointed out a man’s winter coat on the rail (not quite the shoes I had been browsing for!) he was very clear in directing me to buy it. The next week there was an elderly man at our church and God said the coat was for him(!), as it turned out his home was in a very poor state with little heating, it was winter and his only mode of transport was a bicycle. He was bowled over by the coat (it fitted perfectly and even had lots of zippy pockets which he loved!) and that God had known about his need to help keep warm and sent him help. My husband and I have been good friends with the man ever since, about 15 years now. I can honestly say that living your life in a walk with God through his son Jesus is the most wonderful, exciting, amazing, surprising, sometimes nerve wracking, incredible thing in the world and I wouldn’t swap it for anything!

The bible is also full of examples of people hearing God’s voice and responding to his spirit leading, in both Old and New Testaments. Well known examples being Moses hearing God’s voice and following his leading to speak to Pharoah ‘let my people go’ and lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. I love the example of Daniel telling Nebuchadnezzar his dream (Nb’zzar told his advisors he needed an interpretation for a troubling dream and they said, ‘ok, tell us the dream’ and he said no, you will tell me FIRST my dream, and if they did not they would be put to death), they all cried this was impossible but Daniel knew and trusted God who showed Daniel in perfect detail what Nb’zzar’s dream was and it’s interpretation, and thereby saved him and the rest of the king’s advisors from a sticky end. God gave the Prophet Jonah a message for the people of Nineveh (though he said nope and ran off initially, brief stint in whale(!) and then delivers God’s message - love this example as is so human to muck things up but God loves to use us anyway! :D)

There is absolutely, absolutely nothing special about me. I am an ordinary mum who watches too much tele, loves a good laugh and eats way too many biscuits. I think God uses anyone who is willing to believe, listen and respond to his gentle prompting.

This is my experience and matches how he spoke to people in the bible too, which is a voice to our hearts rather than an audible voice in our ears though this also can occur. (My first experience of hearing God was an audible voice). He really does love us and want to draw us close to him and made a way for this through his son Jesus who bore ours sins when he gave his life on the cross.

HmmGrey · 21/04/2021 16:48

@Jellyfishnchips

Thank you for sharing. So encouraging!

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