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Christian mums, how do you handle Halloween?

29 replies

mumwithnoname · 29/10/2004 09:58

Just wondered what you do on Oct31? We're going to a "Not a halloween party" at church. But I do get sweets to give to Trick or treaters cos I feel mean if I don't!! Feel a bit of a hypocrit though!! My dh thinks we should ignore it totally but I not sure thats very easy when you've got kids who hear about it from friends at school.

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wobblyknicks · 29/10/2004 10:00

My mum used to print out Christian leaflets about the dangers of Halloween and give them to trick or treaters. The looks on their faces were indescribable and I used to feel so embarrassed by it, as I'm agnostic, but maybe its something you'd agree with.

JuniperDewdrop · 29/10/2004 10:10

This is something very close to my heart at the moment. I go to Church weekly and ours is having a light and bright party instead of halloween. One of the mums was saying to me the other day how much she hates halloween yet she's read all the harry potter books and seen the movies etc.. plus other stuff that you could regard as halloweenish. I know Harry potter is tame but it's still pretty close.
DS1 who's 7 tomorrow loves halloween and I couldn't stop him from enjoying it. I pray for protection for him and make sure he knows the difference between dressing up and evil things but only as much as he understands.
I feel sorry for DS1s friend at school who's an evangelist and tells all the children how evil harry potter is ect... I've told DS1 to respect his opinion and that everyone believes different things and we have to accept that.
As for alternatives my friend gives them stickers with jesus loves you as well as the sweets.

Marina · 29/10/2004 10:12

This is a vexed topic in our house, mumwithnoname. We are practising Christians of the wishy-washy sort and until now we have scraped by through either not mentioning or promoting Halloween to ds or judiciously going away, thereby avoiding trick or treating in our street (which is a family activity rather than marauding teens, apparently).
This year ds is adamant he wants to trick or treat and when I tried to explain why we don't like celebrating Halloween, we veered dangerously into "Jesus is such a spoilsport" territory. Ds also has a friend at school whose parents are born again and have forbidden any Halloween activities...guess which little boy is the most imaginative and ghoulish inventor of devil games at playtime? And he is apparently furious with his parents...and more significantly, clearly side-stepping their Christian message.
So I don't think your dh is realistic either and I have arranged to let ds trick or treat, accompanied by me and with permission beforehand, with a couple of neighbours. Our church would not be so imaginative as to organise a Not Halloween Party, alas (one reason why we are currently "between churches" ). Wasted opportunity in my view as it is actually All Saints and its patronal festival is the very next day - huge effort going into a non-child-friendly, lengthy sung Mass, of course.
We did manage to have a successful conversation in which we agreed that Jesus was much nicer than the devil, who was horrid to him in the desert, and that we would rather be on Jesus' team in the long run. And there I left it.

mumwithnoname · 29/10/2004 15:39

My church doesn't do anything original either which is why I'm between churches too. My church is RC but also go to a CofE and a URC church aswell! Which can get quite confusing!! The church the partys at is my parents church which is a very lively CofE one!

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fairyfly · 29/10/2004 16:06

I think you handle it by having fun, taking it lightly and above all praying for souls to be returned to heaven

JoolsToo · 29/10/2004 16:09
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Uwila · 29/10/2004 16:10

Good topic. I too have a bit of a battle with this. My dd is only 19 months so not an issue yet. But my niece (8 yrs) is visiting from the states where EVERYBODY dresses up for halloween. The way my sil and brother play it is that the kids dress up and trick or treat but evil characters are forbidden. No vampires, whitches, devils, etc. My neice showed up with cinderella costume in tow. And now I'll have to sort out what to do. I guess this means we are getting a costume for dd as well and they can go out and trick or treat.

myermay · 29/10/2004 16:30

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KateandtheGirls · 29/10/2004 16:35

On the other hand, here in the States, they don't call it Halloween at school. They celebrate "the season". My daughter is having a parade of costumes at her school today amd they're having a "fall party".

My youngest daughter's (church-based) pre-school aren't doing anything for Halloween, but last year at a different church-based pre-school DD1 had a costume parade.

I'm not a Christian, so it doesn't offend me, but I don't think little kids see it as anything dark. Most of the girls are dressed as Princesses. They just love dressing up and getting all the goodies.

hmb · 29/10/2004 16:36

Not practicing christian myself but I can tell you how one christian neighbour deals with it. She makes a load of very nice angel biscuits and ties a tag to them that says she doesn't 'do' halloween but has said a prayer for the recipient of the biscuit. Very nicely done IMHO.

Uwila · 29/10/2004 16:50

I'm not really sure of the details. But, HAlloween is a pagan ritual. And I THINK (not sure about this!) that they dressed up as the evil spirits to ward them off.

Anyway, it's pagan and evil. So strict Christians don't like it.

However, I agree that kids just like to dress up get lots of candy. It's fun, and they don't know really suffer in my opinion. SO, I agree with taking it lightly. However, I can remember dressing as a whitch, ghost, and devil through the years...

Roobie · 29/10/2004 17:00

Although Halloween is now largely a secular festival for most people, for Christians, there should be no real problem as the real meaning of the day is the "Evening before All Holy Ones Day". Anyone with a Christian perspective should therefore view it as being symbolic of the Saints' fight against evil (hence the dressing up as demons/ghouls etc) and Jesus' triumph over evil via his death and resurrection.

Uwila · 29/10/2004 17:03

Found this on the history channel

Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in). The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities. During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.

By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain. The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.

By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.

myermay · 29/10/2004 17:07

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Maudy · 29/10/2004 17:08

So embarrassed as have invited a Christian friend and her DS to our Halloween party and didn't even think it would be offensive to her as i am a total heathen! Fortunately I left a message on her answering machine so we didn't have to have an difficult conversaton on the phone. Hope she is not offended

jodee · 29/10/2004 17:16

Well ... I don't know whether to feel a hypocrite or not - we are churchgoers and don't "do" Halloween, but ds (4.5) is currently at a Halloween fancy dress party (as Spiderman).

He has no concept of Halloween at all, we've not mentioned it, and just played it as a fancy dress party where some of the children might be dressed as monsters. (He is OK with this, loves Monsters Inc. and the like).

My reasons for letting him go: 1) It's very low-key, they are only aged 4 and 5 and the family go to the same church as we do. 2) We are new to the area (7 months) so good for ds to get to know new faces. 3) The boy who invited my ds was only allowed to invite three friends, so thought they must get on well and the friendship will hopefully develop. 4) The boy lives 2 minutes away so is the closest of any children in his Reception class, so they may well meet up regularly after school.

Roobie · 29/10/2004 17:23

I honestly wouldn't worry about it Jodee. For most people these days it is just an excuse for a party - without any kind of nod to either pagan or Christian origins. So unless your son's party is a cover for some kind of paganistic Baal worship - sorry to be facetious! then I would just tell him a bit about the Christian aspects etc and leave it at that.

Ameriscot2004 · 29/10/2004 17:37

We give out a Christian message from our church along with the sweets.

A lot of families in our church do an alternative Trick or Treat. They dress up in costumes (not 'of the dark'), knock on doors, and actually give treats instead of demanding them. I would be happy to do this too, but our kids who are in the right age group for this (12 and 10), had their formative Hallowe'en years in the US and they think they are waaaay too old for it now - it was a little kids thing where we lived).

angelmummy · 29/10/2004 17:51

My church did an antidote to Halloween party last year, but because it falls on a Sunday this year, it clashes with the evening service. Its very tricky to avoid with children, because they see the rest of the kids having fun. I'm like you mumwithnoname, and usually give trick or treaters sweets, if not to stop them damaging my property!! I heard last year on local radio of somebody who wrapped cooked brussel sprouts in ferrero rocher paper which I thought was quite tempting!! But on a more serious note, I do think fairyfly has a good point. Can you imagine the dilemma J-Witness parents must have at Christmas?

Tortington · 30/10/2004 01:24

i dont see the harm in it - we are practising catholics and my son is going to his friends birthday party today - both go to same catholic school. as its near halloween its a fancy dress halloween party. my son is going as dracula. i really dont see the big deal

nikkim · 30/10/2004 01:31

Haven't read all the thread but agree with custardo, Halloween isn't about the dark forces in the world, satanism etc.. . It us (or in my house) about dressing up, eating sweets, daft games and spooky stories.

We are having a party for dd and we are practising catholics and most of dd guests are kids from church. Not one guest has raised a concern other than to check their children will not be trick or treating out of safety rather than religious concerns.

nikkim · 30/10/2004 01:34

We do make up for our unholy and satanic behaviour by going to church on all saints day and praying for all you heathens out there!!