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What do people mean exactly when they call themselves 'Born Again Christian'?

52 replies

kiskidee · 11/10/2007 22:30

I heard this one lady say that she is a born again Christian and when asked what was her faith before she said 'Catholic'.

I remember another time a lady asked me where was the nearest church (in a small resort town) and I started by saying, 'well there is the catholic church down there' and before i could mention the other 2 denominations near by, she said 'oh no no, I am Christian' but didn't see any irony in what she had just said.

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IAmADaddy · 19/10/2007 18:35

I could describe myself as a Christian, Anglican, born again, evangelical - they're just labels to describe my relationship with God. Born Again is just how I came to rediscover God when I was 28 - having been raised a Christian I effectively grew out of it before having something of an Epiphany. I'm evangelical because I work with the Student Ministry team at my church to spread the good news of Jesus.

Frankly both born again and evangelical are scary labels when you look at American examples of people who call themselves that. I have a massively different view of so many issues than they do....

savedbygrace · 16/01/2008 23:42

"Born Again".....there is a man called Nicodemus in the gospel of Mark who asks about eternal life. Jesus tells him that to enter heaven he, (and everyone else), must be Born Again. Nicodemus asks how this can be done? He is a grown man, and cannot re-enter his mothers womb.
Jesus goes on to explain that he he means to be "born from above".
When we become a Christian our relationship with God changes. We begin again with God, we have a fresh start, we are born again!

(hope this helps)

Tortington · 16/01/2008 23:46

it involve tambourines and folk guitars

UnquietDad · 16/01/2008 23:48

As a heathen I've got dragged along to a born again church a few times - they see me as a project to convert - and I always find it a really scary experience. It's like being surrounded by people on drugs.

Give me a nice quiet Anglican church where you can stand at the back and sing the hymns you knew at school and then have a cuppa with the vicar, every time...

savedbygrace · 17/01/2008 19:52

Tambourines and guitars are not a pre-requisite....LOL

CountessDracula · 17/01/2008 19:58

IME it usually means they have had some sort of breakdown and turned to the church

Obv I will be murdered for that comment

But sorry it is true, every one I have ever met this is the case

CountessDracula · 17/01/2008 19:59

(when I say it is true I mean IME obv!)

eleusis · 17/01/2008 20:22

I sort of think of "Born again" to be synonymous with Jesus freak. Like, someone who goes round quoting the bible trying to convert the world...

Funny, I actually was raised by an atheist mum and when I was about 30 was baptised and confirmed. But I wouldn't call myslef "born again". I'm just a plain old Anglican. Hymms and cuppa with the vicar do it for me.

CD, where the Hell (Heaven?) have you been?

Dinosaur · 17/01/2008 20:25

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bobsmum · 17/01/2008 20:29

A breakdown? Have I still got that to come? Erk!

I was born again when I was 13, but there really were no mental health issues involved. Actually, atheists might beg to differ

bobsmum · 17/01/2008 20:29

Jesus Freak - DC Talk - fab song

Dinosaur · 17/01/2008 20:31

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NorthernLurker · 17/01/2008 20:37

oh dinosaur - hugs and prayers for your situation. Does dh go to church with you at all?

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UnquietDad · 18/01/2008 09:58

Even atheists like hymns. But I hate "Amazing Grace" because of its anti-humanist sentiment - "a wretch like me" FGS?! I refuse to sing that.

SueBaroo · 18/01/2008 10:07

Some churches change it to 'someone like me', UQD. I think they're heretics (just kidding!)

It's a very Calvinist hymn. I love it, but only the original, not the sappy add-on last verse.

UnquietDad · 18/01/2008 10:18

You mean the Harriet Beecher Stowe verse?

SueBaroo · 18/01/2008 10:26

This is the version I like. It hardly ever gets sung in full - just the first three verses with the anonymous addition as the last verse...

Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.

?Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!

Through many dangers, toils and snares,
I have already come;
?Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far,
And grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me,
His Word my hope secures;
He will my Shield and Portion be,
As long as life endures.

Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess, within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
But God, who called me here below,
Will be forever mine.

anonymous addition

When we?ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We?ve no less days to sing God?s praise
Than when we?d first begun.

ugh. Not a word wasted in all the other verses, and then someone sticks on a verse that sounds like Tim Rice wrote it.

[lyric snob]

OrmIrian · 18/01/2008 10:26

If my mil is any indication it means you become a joyless bigot!

Sorry bobsmum I'm sure it isn't always the case, but she is. She had the nerve to tell me that the vicar that married DH and I (lovely man, known him for years) had recently found God.... I was a bit surprised as to my knowledge he's been a vicar since the 60's . But apparently he wasn't a 'real' Christian all that time. She was simply unbearable for a while. And she also disliked other religions (and other brands of christianity) quite strongly. Her intolerance is quite hideous.

But that was a few years back. She's mellowed a little since then. Just a little.

bobsmum · 18/01/2008 13:18

OrmIrian - I've met a few vicars and ministers in my time, who although were lovely people, were definitely not Christians - ie didn't believe that Jesus was son of God/existence of Holy spirit/resurrection/miracles - what I would consider the foundations.

They were more of the Jesus-was-just-a-nice-bloke persuasion. For me that's a bit wishy washy and if that's what I believed it certainly wouldn't be enough for me to face an entire vocation on. I would need someone that was capable of turning the world upside down and inside out.

And I've also met a fair number of Christian bigots and hypocrites. I would definitely count myself to be one of the latter a lot of the time

UnquietDad · 18/01/2008 13:48

Blimey, I'm of the "Jesus-was-a-nice-bloke" persuasion and I'm as atheist as they come!

bobsmum · 18/01/2008 13:50

You'd make a great vicar then

EffiePerine · 18/01/2008 13:50

See, I did it UQD and you didn't even notice

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1375/459586?stamp=080118133946

EffiePerine · 18/01/2008 13:51

aaargh

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1375/459586?stamp=080118133946

UnquietDad · 18/01/2008 14:00

V good Effie! Sorry. Distracted here.