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Struggling with this. Do you believe you see your loved ones again ??

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unrulytoenails · 20/08/2020 08:44

I can't find anything in Scripture which says you do, but many people I've known believe that you do see loved ones again.

Can anyone comment please.

I'm struggling with this for a while.

OP posts:
aceofbase1 · 03/10/2020 23:53

I haven't read the whole thread (i am going to now though!) I find this subject so interesting. I am a catholic and was brought up in a catholic school and religion was a massive part of our daily education. However since becoming an adult and using my logical realistic part of my brain I believe that religion is something humans make up to answer questions that just can't be answered and give some hope and faith in times of need.

I don't actually believe god exists or Jesus and all the rest of it. I don't believe there is an afterlife and I believe when we die it's nothing - no afterlife no heaven just nothing.

This also terrifies me - the thought of being dead and buried for all eternity whilst the world still goes on and life continues fills me with complete and utter anxiety like no other feeling I've ever experienced (I have to stop myself thinking about it as it scares me so much) I know once I'm dead I won't know but it will still be happening Confused I don't know if I'm making sense!

I'd love to believe in afterlife and heaven but I really don't. It's also funny how I was brought up to believe in god and a practising catholic but have turned out to be an adult that believes in precisely nothing of that nature! ConfusedGrin

Slightlybrwnbanana · 04/10/2020 00:00

I am surprised to see two atheists on the thread saying they belief in an afterlife, as I thought it was part of atheistic belief to not believe in an afterlife or anything supernatural? Or maybe I am confusing that with humanism

Mrstwiddle · 04/10/2020 00:01

@aceofbase1 I know exactly what you means about the utter fear of eternity, although I’m coming at it from a different viewpoint as I do believe in God and an afterlife.

The thought of existing forever though still absolutely terrifies me, I think we just have to realise that we can’t possibly comprehend such concepts.

Anyway, just wanted you to know you’re not alone :)

Defenbaker · 04/10/2020 00:46

@WiseOldBird I visited a spiritualist church several times after my mother died. I was desperate for some sign from her, some kind of message, so that I could know that she was okay on the other side, and that I had not lost her forever. At first I was hopeful, as some of the mediums seemed to come through with quite precise messages for other people in the audience/congregation. But as time went on I became more cynical and began to question certain aspects. For instance, once the medium said that she had someone there to speak to me, a lady who was "so glad they've found you (me)". My eyes lit up... was this my mother? Then the medium said "Oh, the energy's fading now... it's gone." It seemed to often happen that way, at the time the session was due to end - like the spirits were mindful of not letting the hour long session overrun! But to my mind, if my mother really was there, she'd not have let that medium off so lightly - she'd have been following that medium around, insisting that she tell me things she wanted to say! Or, if the medium was genuine, she could have asked me to wait for her afterwards, so she could pass on messages. Perhaps she was hoping I'd approach her, and ask for a private (and profitable) reading?

After months of disappointment, I stopped going. I was tempted to try another spiritualist church, and feed a few fake details to some of the regulars there, over time, to see what may happen. It would be tempting to invent some background story, mention someone non existent relative who had died in specific unusual circumstances, then wait to see what the medium might come up with. But I felt that would be disrespectful to any geneuine believers there, or genuine mediums.

OP - sorry to hijack thread. In answer to your question - I want to believe that I will see my loved ones again, but my experience at the spiritualist church quashed that hope somewhat. I am agnostic, and have been searching for answers for most of my life, so I am very interested in this subject.

WiseOldBird · 04/10/2020 09:04

[quote Defenbaker]@WiseOldBird I visited a spiritualist church several times after my mother died. I was desperate for some sign from her, some kind of message, so that I could know that she was okay on the other side, and that I had not lost her forever. At first I was hopeful, as some of the mediums seemed to come through with quite precise messages for other people in the audience/congregation. But as time went on I became more cynical and began to question certain aspects. For instance, once the medium said that she had someone there to speak to me, a lady who was "so glad they've found you (me)". My eyes lit up... was this my mother? Then the medium said "Oh, the energy's fading now... it's gone." It seemed to often happen that way, at the time the session was due to end - like the spirits were mindful of not letting the hour long session overrun! But to my mind, if my mother really was there, she'd not have let that medium off so lightly - she'd have been following that medium around, insisting that she tell me things she wanted to say! Or, if the medium was genuine, she could have asked me to wait for her afterwards, so she could pass on messages. Perhaps she was hoping I'd approach her, and ask for a private (and profitable) reading?

After months of disappointment, I stopped going. I was tempted to try another spiritualist church, and feed a few fake details to some of the regulars there, over time, to see what may happen. It would be tempting to invent some background story, mention someone non existent relative who had died in specific unusual circumstances, then wait to see what the medium might come up with. But I felt that would be disrespectful to any geneuine believers there, or genuine mediums.

OP - sorry to hijack thread. In answer to your question - I want to believe that I will see my loved ones again, but my experience at the spiritualist church quashed that hope somewhat. I am agnostic, and have been searching for answers for most of my life, so I am very interested in this subject.[/quote]
I also went to a couple of Spiritualist churches and had a dreadful experience. The mediums seemed like they were giving very general feedback and some of them were in fact quite aggressive about insisting on the content of a message and getting people to accept it. You do have to look around to find a reputable medium and someone who resonates with you. Have a look at some of the sites I mentioned in my post and see if you can find a medium online. Please don’t give up. I can’t tell you how comforting it is to receive a specific genuine message from someone who has crossed. It really causes you to question a lot and puts you on a completely different path. If you can find a shop that sells crystals near you they will often have mediums offering readings to on a face-to-face basis. Try that as an option.

WiseOldBird · 04/10/2020 09:04

I don’t understand your question.

WiseOldBird · 04/10/2020 09:09

[quote Bloodybridget]@WiseOldBird are you on the right thread?[/quote]
I don't understand your question

lazylinguist · 04/10/2020 09:13

No, I believe when you die there is nothing. I am an atheist and have no faith though.

Same here.

I am surprised to see two atheists on the thread saying they belief in an afterlife, as I thought it was part of atheistic belief to not believe in an afterlife or anything supernatural?

No, there is no such thing as 'atheistic belief'. Atheism isn't a belief, it just means the absence of believing in a god or gods. That doesn't preclude an atheist believing in anything else they like, although it's probably pretty unusual for atheists to believe in an afterlife in the traditional sense. There's no reason why someone couldn't be an atheist and believe in supernatural things. I certainly don't though.

AlwaysLatte · 04/10/2020 09:21

No, I believe death is the end and that talk of heaven and hell are coping strategies/warnings. But I think that something beautiful can happen in a dying mind to ease the process and that at that moment a person may feel they are in a kind of heaven. To them, as there is nothing after that, that may seem like a permanent state.

Readandwalk · 04/10/2020 09:30

No but its comforting thought.

Bloodybridget · 04/10/2020 10:21

@WiseOldBird I asked because what you posted didn't relate to the OP's question, or refer to it at all. Then after I'd asked, I saw that you had an identical post on another thread in Philosophy and Religion that was about mediums, etc.

TinySongstress · 04/10/2020 10:31

I believe that the universe will end in the same way it began, it is human arrogance to believe we-even as a species- are beyond any of these laws. Of course we're all made of particles and nothing is ever really created or destroyed but changes form.
It gives me peace that our cold, dead planet will eventually drift off into the ether, along with all others and possibly, eventually become the starting of something different, unimaginable and new. We'll be part of that. Everyone who ever lived.

TinySongstress · 04/10/2020 10:33

But as to consciousness and spirit, that alludes me, given that energy can only be transferred and not destroyed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Woodflower · 07/03/2021 22:00

I think we are a form of physical particles with energy. Energy is never distroyed, its changes form. Is not my energy your energy. Once our body is lost we have no identity per se but we become one like water drops added into a bottle. We cant take a drop out and give identity to it.

This energy which is from all forms of life who dont have a body will find way ( what we eat what we breathe what we smell and what we touch)thru mothers womb ( of any life form)to start a journey again.

My religion teaches this. But I am not a hardcore beleiver of everything it says but when I logically think about it; some parts ( not the parts where religious heads made their own tweaks to the actual knowledge)of my religion do make sense.

WantChewbaccaForGood · 15/03/2021 10:10

I believe I will see lived ones again (I'd call myself a sort-of christian, in that I believe that Jesus is the son of God - but so are we, we "just" don't realise), a Muslim friend and an agnostic cousin both claim to have been visited by deceased relatives who felt solid and real and told them that they were fine (neither said "you're following the wrong religion").

After my mum died I read loads of near death experiences (google "nde current") and still take great comfort from them - although I do cherry pick! "Only the bravest souls come to earth", many mention a life review, where they judge themselves, there's no vengeful God condemning them, and a feeling of returning Home, and recognising other beings from and not from, this lifetime.

HmmGrey · 22/03/2021 10:50

I’m a Christian. The Bible says we leave our fleshly bodies and ascend to heaven, if we’ve had a relationship with Jesus and been saved. We are given a new heavenly body, similar to angels. We are no longer married because we are ‘married’ to Christ.

We see our family again.

Matthew 22:30 Ephesians 2:8-9 John 3:3

If you want the bigger picture you should read the Bible with an open heart. God’s word is living. He is the word. He will show you if you want to know.

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