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Querying my faith over school places

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Balletbore · 05/01/2018 14:15

I am applying for school places for DD. I am a committed Christian and have attended church, both c of e and baptist for most of my life and just to give you examples of my commitment regularly attend my local church, I guess three out of four weeks with my family. I also go to the family events e. G toddler groups.both of.my children attend Sunday school etc. I am keen for my eldest child to go to our local c of e Church and my vicar kindly completed the relevant forms for making an application via faith criteria.

Someone who lives down the road and who just attends toddler group at the same church and occasionally our Messy Church which is held every month (she goes every few months, I guess) so we know and chat casually has also told me that she has applied under faith criteria, and has also her form signed by the vicar. This has upset me. I know I am wrong to be upset because it isn't a competition in faith etc and yet I feel hard done by and very unchristian thoughts. I should also point out it is very competitive admissions for aforementioned school and in the event of not enough places, places will be prioritised under distance and the other lady is more likely to get a place.

I would be very grateful if someone who has been in any similar situation could 'hand me a grip' or help me come to terms and help explain the church's thinking when signing these additional forms. Just to emphasise, I know I am being ridiculous, I appreciate on an intellectual basis that attendance etc is not the whole sign of someone's faith commitment and this is not a post about whether c of e schools are justified etc but any thoughts on how I can accept on an emotional level how the church determines whether people are committed Christians would be really helpful. Thank you

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thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts · 10/01/2018 18:22

When it comes to faith criteria on admissions it comes down to something thar can be measured so it will be attendance defined asX times per month for Y years at Z church. I know one very oversubscribed school that is number of years on the electoral roll. Another is RC and it is very strict on the baptised by 6 months and a letter from the priest confirming attendance at mass x times per month.

What you can't do is measure faith commitment. I know the chair of the appeals panel for a school that tried to measure a parent's commitment by the number of committee they led and it was a nightmare to run. So they went for something much more simple.

headinhands · 17/01/2018 18:30

Hi OP. You said you were 'querying your faith' about this situation. Could say what it is about whats happening that has makes you feel like that?

Julie8008 · 17/01/2018 20:21

If we have to allow faith schools a way to make them fairer would be:
a) To only allow parents to apply to faith schools or secular schools, not both.
b) Or find a way in secular schools admissions to prioritise children of parents who can prove they have been atheist for a long time.

headinhands · 17/01/2018 21:29

Or find a way in secular schools admissions to prioritise children of parents who can prove they have been atheist for a long time.

Firstly, there are no secular schools in the UK.^^ All state schools in the UK are required to provide weekly worship

Secondly, secular and atheist are not mutually exclusive.^ Many people who follow a religion are secularists in that they feel that public services should be entirely separate from any particular religious group.^

FramptonRose · 17/01/2018 21:41

I feel for you as I think l some people are very good at making the system work for them, ie religious when it suits them, just before school applications are due.

My family and I are Catholic, the criteria is so much stricter, the circumstances you describe here, most Catholic Priests would not have signed the letter. We have to have weekly attendance at Mass for some years.

speakout · 17/01/2018 21:48

FramptonRose but the system is so unfair can't you see that?

Suits you I am sure.

FramptonRose · 17/01/2018 21:58

I agree speakout but I do not want to get into that discussion on here as I have been there, done that. I simply came on to state that in the OP's situation I would feel annoyed too.

speakout · 17/01/2018 22:01

How can you compare the strength of faith though?

My MIL goes to church every single week and admits to us that she doesn't believe in god.

Julie8008 · 17/01/2018 23:08

there are no secular schools in the UK
Yes but my response was relating to the discriminatory admissions procedures 'faith' schools use.

secular and atheist are not mutually exclusive
Of course but the secular religious parents have the option of all schools without lying. Secular atheists only have the option of some schools without lying.

The ideal answer is a 100% secular education system but given we have faith admissions a fair way to balance it would be have some schools give priority admissions to people who do not apply to faith admission schools or parents who can demonstrate a secular/atheist background.

Julie8008 · 17/01/2018 23:12

How can you compare the strength of faith though?
Faith admissions schools don't test strength of faith, they test church attendance or baptism or any number of hoops. Strength of faith is not one of them.

multivac · 17/01/2018 23:18

OP - I think that your problem is, you are trying to reconcile genuine faith with a system that is antipathetic to everything that faith represents.

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