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Ever experienced/witnessed a miracle?

129 replies

sohackedoff · 10/10/2016 17:08

Have you ever experienced or witnessed a miracle? If so, please share.

My mum, a committed Christian, had ulcerative colitis. She'd had it for years and was on the verge of having a colostomy bag fitted. She received prayer and was healed.

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OutwiththeOutCrowd · 13/10/2016 10:27

I'm not saying that Bert. I'm saying that the belief might comfort her and giver her a positive outlook that will help to keep her healthy in general terms.

A cataract disappearing spontaneously is a rare occurrence indeed.

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 13/10/2016 10:59

natty I'm an atheist but I find your posts fascinating. I have a religious friend (old school friend) of another faith who has had similar occurrences and 100% believes in her 'God' too due to her 'real life' experiences. After having dd2 I met a ministers wife at baby groups and she too has had religious experience she swears by also.

None of these women are crazy or push their religion down folk throats and are genuinly lovely to be around women. I could literatly sit and listen all day to how devoted they are and what their faith means to them and how active their God is in their lives.

It's fascinating.

Each to their own!

BertrandRussell · 13/10/2016 11:10

But "Sam's mum" wasn't just taking comfort and strength- she believed, and was telling other people that her cataracts were miraculously removed.

And while being comforted and supported by faith is absolutely fine, being deceived and defrauded isn't. And it is very unusual that anyone has any evidence, or is prepared to back up their experience. For example, someone on this thread has said she is unable to give a any more information about her experience, not even where it happened, but has given a link to a very old book by a "doctor" who has shown to be a quack (he was a proponent of chelation) with links to a "carney" type faith healer who had a sort of "healing roadshow". People have a right not to be conned.

NanFlanders · 13/10/2016 11:18

I had very bad depression. My meds (which I had been taking for 16 years on and off) had suddenly stopped working - I had tried CBT, changes of meds, Samaritans etc.. A Christian friend asked if she could pray with/for me and, although I'm firmly on the liberal/'it's all open to interpretation' wing of Unitarianism, I figured it couldn't do any harm. Her words were absolutely searing (in a good way) and really felt like they were touching me - it really was like someone was talking through her. I was totally better the next day (still take my previous medication - I think God provides help in different ways). My (still) atheist husband couldn't believe the difference. I can't explain it. But it was very real and I would say miraculous.

anon123456 · 13/10/2016 11:41

I always feel sorry for the doctors, they spend days, weeks and even years saving patients, after a life long study of medicine. Then if the patient is cured, they are relegated to the role of on-looker by the patient who just prayed the illness away.

Why does god only ever fix medical conditions that are curable by medicine. Do no amputees never pray to a god?

When I was younger I went to see a hypnotist who was able to convince people to act like a chicken cluck and flap around the stage. Its the same way people are able to speak in tongues.

anon123456 · 13/10/2016 11:43

Do no amputees never pray to a god?

Sorry for the double negative.

Ausernotanumber · 13/10/2016 11:46

I agree with Bertrand on this 100%. (Don't fall off your chair Bertrand!)

And if I could get my hands on the miracle making pray harder knob jockey who conned my mother out of money and even worse gave her false hope I would miracle his arse down the road as fast as I could.

SuramarMom · 13/10/2016 12:00

I'm agnostic (I think that's the word for it) but I do now believe that sometimes miracles can happen (though in my case it could be explained away by extremely good luck I suppose)

I have a bicornulate uterus and over the last few years have had eight miscarriages, some much later on.

I now have two children (3 and 6 months old)

It just so happens that in each of their pregnancies, at exactly 8 weeks, we have been on holiday in the Isle of Wight. (Not planned, just a coincidence).

On the first trip we went on a visit to Godshill and decided to go up to the little church at the top of the hill.

I was pregnant with DD and just decided to light a candle at the feet of the statue of (I think) Mary holding a baby. I broke down in tears at the thought of having to go through another loss. I wrote on one of the prayer cards.

I was so happy when dd was born alive but didn't really connect it with the trip.

However when I found out I was pregnant while on holiday there again you can be sure I dragged DP to Godshill again Grin

We went back again earlier this month. I took both of the children in there and lit a candle to say thank you. I felt such a huge surge of peace.

I went from not believing in anything really to feeling that there is definitely something. (Though I understand and agree with the 'well why does bad stuff happen at all in the first place then' way of thinking)

We are planning to get married there soon. I just feel a strong attatchment to that place now.

ayeokthen · 13/10/2016 12:02

SuramarMom I'm so sorry for all your losses. Your story is beautiful, I'm so glad you have your babies, and that you were able to find comfort and peace in this place.

SuramarMom · 13/10/2016 12:04

Thank you Ayeokthen 😊

ayeokthen · 13/10/2016 12:05
Grin
NattyTile · 13/10/2016 16:44

I don't think miracles turn people away from science.

Our church has physicists, chemists, medical doctors and PhD doctors in all kinds of disciplines amongst the congregation.

As I said before, I have no idea why God heals some people and not others. I do know it's absolutely nothing to do with somehow failing to pray hard enough, or not having enough faith. Just sometimes he says yes, and sometimes he says no. I don't know why.

I'd never advocate someone turning down medical treatment in the hope that God would heal instead. And I would be very very suspicious of anyone claiming to be able to buy miracles.

What I do know, personally, though, is that the more I learn about the world, the more advances that are made in science, the bigger God becomes as I see more about this world he made (and no, I don't believe it was created in 7 24 hour days. But don't you think it's interesting at in a book written around 4000 years ago, the order of creation is still pretty much the order of evolution too?).

And the more I learn about God, the more amazing and outstanding this world becomes.

For me, and for the physicists in our congregation, every new discovery points towards an even more complex world with a bigger and more complex God behind it.

Ifounddory · 13/10/2016 17:08

Everyone has the right to beliefs or no beliefs as long as it isn't foisted upon people or used as a stick to beat others with. When I hear comments like the one above about anyone suffering being a sinner it makes me want to be sick, those attitudes are NOT Christian at all!

I totally agree. I have met a number of Christians whose attitude to me says they are anything but.

I have witnessed miracles. Conception after being told there was no hope, healings and some other minor things. I believe they are God driven but if anyone else doesn't that's there prerogative.

Flingmoo · 13/10/2016 17:13

Why would God fix someone's dodgy bowes but not intervene in the horrible suffering of little children, even babies in war torn and famine stricken places? I am not trying to provoke anyone with this question I genuinely wish there was a satisfying answer as this is pretty much the only real reason I can't have faith no matter how hard I try!

Flingmoo · 13/10/2016 17:14

(Was meant to say bowels in that post, not bowes, just a typo)

NattyTile · 13/10/2016 21:21

I don't know, Mamushka. I wish I did.

I do know that God suffers with us, that Jesus wept when his friend died and weeps for our pain too.

I don't know why therefore He doesn't just step in to stop the pain.

But in my own life, it is enough to know he is right here with me as I go through it. There's peace in that, for me.

mrspotatolegs · 13/10/2016 23:44

I've never experienced a miracle, but I have experienced God 'moments' or 'synergies'- things that have happened to me that I believe God played a part in somehow. Other people might say 'co-incidence' but they are too important to me to be put down to chaos/accident.

claraschu · 14/10/2016 03:32

I have a friend who miraculously got pregnant after years of trying and being told it was impossible.

We are both atheists. If we had been praying to someone, we would have thought this was a God-based miracle.

Amazing things happen sometimes.

enolagayits0815 · 14/10/2016 03:56

Yes, Dd was born despite me bleeding and being in the stages of miscarriage, the doctor couldn't explain how I hadn't had a miscarriage.

user1474781546 · 14/10/2016 12:14

enolagayits0815 and you think god did this?

enolagayits0815 · 14/10/2016 16:03

No, but it was inexplicable - I was passing large clots the size of plums and the doctor examined me and said that miscarriage was inevitable. Nobody could explain how it all stopped.

Crystal15 · 14/10/2016 16:09

Hmm. Positive thinking can change how a person feels. Less stress equals a stronger immune system. That's the only link to prayer. I don't believe in God But I do believe in something else. Not sure what

BertrandRussell · 14/10/2016 16:11

That happened to a friend of mine. The explanation the doctors agreed on after the event was that she was carrying twins and miscarried one.

BertrandRussell · 14/10/2016 16:12

I don't think doctors often say that things are "impossible" They say they are very, very unlikely. And very very unlikely things happen.

JacquelineChan · 14/10/2016 16:15

My partner suffers with Ulcerative Colitis and one of the main triggers is stress. If OP's mum felt comforted , supported and maybe a 'weight off her shoulders' from the prayers of her fellow congregation , then i guess that could have contributed to her recovery.

UC is a nasty disease but in itself not fatal, it does flare up and go away alternately so if prayer works for her - good thing !