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Rest in Peace, Fr. Hamel.

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ReActiv · 26/07/2016 15:58

I am a lapsed Roman Catholic. Though still do attend mass a few times a year with my daughter, mainly for the community events.

I can actually remember a few months ago, the priest discussing middle eastern Christians being killed and asking us to join him in praying for them. And hoping that such level of persecution may never find its way into Europe. And I can remember sitting there and thinking just how easy it would be for a terrorist or any other dangerous person to just walk into that church, barricade the door, and do whatever they wanted to do with us parishioners. The volunteers at the church are mostly elderly - two pensioners who stand at the door handing out the hymn sheets on our way in, and opening the door to let people out to their cars etc during and after mass.

There doesn't appear to be any cctv inside the main church. Nor in the car park.

And I have to admit that today's attack has made me very nervous about ever going to mass again. My daughter attends a Catholic school and they go to mass once a month as a school. I am now worried sick about this monthly trip restarting once the schools go back in August. A church with no security and full of school children. What a target that would be.

I know that this is incredibly selfish to think of myself and my daughter in light of this poor man's demise. But i can't help but feel scared that I may be putting my daughter at risk by consenting for her to keep going on these visits with the school. I'm also worried that I'm depriving her of engaging with the community and her friends as the church puts on lots of free family-friendly events throughout the year. I'm now very worried about attending these ever again in future.

Common sense tells me that these attacks can happen anywhere. I live a five minute walk from the church. The school is across the road from it. So it is likely just as risky to be living where I am, or to be sending my daughter to her catholic school each day as it is for her to go to mass. At least the school has a buzzer entry system though. And CCTV.

Anyway, this has just turned into a ramble. I'm seeing lots of priests on Twitter calling Fr Hamel a martyr and saying that his death will strengthen the catholic church, not weaken it. And it just makes me feel incredibly sad. He was an old, frail man.

I worry that this will put a lot of religious people off attending their various places of worship. I worry that the lack of security in places of worship make them easy targets for terrorists.

Anyway. Just needed to get this off my chest. I just wish there was enough money in the UK to to put body scanners everywhere (shopping centres, schools, places of worship, public transport) and more police presence and security guards in these places to perhaps prevent any of the recent German/French attacks from happening here. A very naive wish, i know. But I just feel that nowhere is safe any more. Fr Hamel and the other victims were probably in the place they considered the safest for them.

I wonder if other people feel worried going to their various places of worship? If not before, then how about now after today's tragedy?

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Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 31/07/2016 19:52

Niminy, can you tell us more? I remember Prince Charles say something along those lines too. Why is it so under reported do you think? When we are a Christian country?

Although at the end of the day the only hope we have if everyone comes together: Muslims, Jews, Atheists and Christians and anyone who basically believes in freedom of speech and religion and stand up against the people who clearly don't.

ReallyTired · 31/07/2016 20:13

I think that atheists are safer because they don't congregate. Athetists don't have any organised meetings other than a couple of elderly blokes in the British humanist society.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 31/07/2016 21:33

Oh yes I see your point. A bit like the Orlando shooting was a good target point for the kind of people the killer hated.

Although I like to think the Humanist association is bit more diverse than a couple of elderly blokes Wink

niminypiminy · 31/07/2016 22:06

"Christians, however, are still the most harassed religious group in the world, based on the findings. Although they make up 30 percent of the world's population, they are the ones who face the most arrest, attacks, and discrimination. The number of countries with Christian persecution rose to 108 from 102 in 2013. Most of the burden of the persecution are borne by women because they are the most religious and most vulnerable at the same time." From a report (dated 26 June) in Christian Daily of the latest data from the respected and authoritative Pew Research Center.

niminypiminy · 31/07/2016 22:12

On media silence about persecution of Christians, see Rupert Shortt, Christianophobia.

niminypiminy · 31/07/2016 22:15

Christianophobia is reviewed positively here by New Humanist - just in case it appears that I'm trying to skew the evidence.

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