Have you ever 'seen' a loved one after their death?

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My XH has, so he told me for the first time the other day. I have to stress here how unlike him this is. He has always scoffed vocally and dismissively at religion and my views.

Anyway - I believed him. Whatever he saw, he saw if you see what I mean.

I am left wondering, irrationally, stupidly, why my loved ones have not chosen to show themselves to me. I know it's ridiculous but I just wondered if someone might be able to give me a 'Christian' perspective or at least a spiritual one as I don't want a load of 'what a load of nonsense!' posts.

Thank you :)

Not sure that Tim Hunt remembered that one in his routine. (Can't have women in the lab because they believe in spirits.)

Think Conan Doyle was into spiritualism. I suspect some men have 'odd' experiences, but don't think it's a blokey thing to talk about.

If you watch any of these Sally Morgan things on tv, you'll see that 99% of the audience are women. It all adds to the general lack of respect for women.

Women seem to lap up all this supernatural claptrap. They tend to be more religious also. Very depressing.

But maybe things aren't respected because women do them. (Primary school teaching, nursery nursing, carework, hairdressing - they're not paid well and don't have high status, as they are female jobs.)

And there are plenty of male bishops, Popes, imams etc. They seem to be able to get respect.

I'm not particularly 'in favour of' or 'into' spiritualism.It's more the idea that if women do something it's flaky and if men do something that's okay - and that women ought to be more like men...

TTWK, no, someone posting on MN for a few experiences and opinions really isn't doing any harm.

Billions of people have believed in various Gods, religions and woo stuff for thousands and thousands of years. It doesn't seem to have stifled the advancement of science from what I can see.

Billions of people have believed in various Gods, religions and woo stuff for thousands and thousands of years. It doesn't seem to have stifled the advancement of science from what I can see.

You clearly know nothing about the relationship between religion and science.

The dark ages? The banning in Europe of using zero in numbers for 200 years. The way Galileo was treated by the Catholic church for suggesting the Earth went around the sun. They eventually apologised and admitted he was right...in 1985.

Do some research.

Robert Grosseteste, Gregor Mendel, Georges LeMaitre?

That religion is the enemy of science nonsense is just that. Historians of science are embarrassed when prominent atheists pull out that hoary old myth. It simply isn't supported by the facts. And the so-called 'dark ages' were in fact a time of great learning supported by ... the church. No respectable historian uses the term 'dark ages' any more.

How do you square that with the current situation in the Middle East. In many countries girls aren't being educated at all. Scientists are jailed or flogged for holding "unislamic" views. Of the top 500 universities in the world, only 1 is in the Middle Eat, and that's Tel Aviv. None of the top 500 at all across the whole Islamic world.

What great scientific advancements are currently coming out of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, etc.

As many people pointed out when Richard Dawkins made analogous claims on twitter, that's because the majority of the world's top 500 universities are in Europe and America and are extremely rich. Scientific research is incredibly expensive, and the best research is concentrated in the richest universities. this well-informed article shows that the reasons why science is underfunded and undervalued in the Arabic world are very complex and as much (if not more) to do with having recently been extremely poor countries as with their Islamic culture and heritage. It's difficult to imagine any major scientific developments coming out of a country that has been destroyed by civil war, as Syria has been, or is on the brink of being, like Yemen.

Do you have evidence that scientists are jailed for having un-Islamic views? Google didn't seem to offer any links.

The education of girls is an issue across vast swathes of the world. Don't forget that even in largely secular Europe and America it was only a few decades ago that girls were largely discouraged from going to university.

Don't forget that even in largely secular Europe and America it was only a few decades ago that girls were largely discouraged from going to university.

Yes, by a patriarchal society largely informed by patriarchal religion.

That's a particularly dogmatic point of view. I think the historical record of Christianity is more mixed than you give it credit for, when we think of the long history of female scholarship conducted under the aegis of the church, and the record of Christian missions in promoting women's education. And I think there were powerful non-religious factors at work in the oppression of women. I can't remember who said it but the dictum that the oppression of women is infinite in its variety and monotonous in its ubiquity had it about right.

But I agree that Christianity has done its share of shoring up patriarchy as well.

I wonder how many Islamic universities would be in the top 500 if anyone from the Islamic world was actually involved in compiling the league tables?

I wonder how many Islamic universities would be in the top 500 if anyone from the Islamic world was actually involved in compiling the league tables?
If they were objective, none.

For a while I kept "seeing" my cousin. I almost set off following him once.
Thing is he's not dead - he emigrated. I can't really explain it but for 2 months after he went I kept "seeing" him. It's never happened before and it's stopped now.

Women seem to lap up all this supernatural claptrap. They tend to be more religious also. Very depressing.

So what was it that attracted you to a religious, spiritual and philosophical forum on a website predominantly used by women TTWK?