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Is your Easter a Jesus Free zone?

104 replies

antumbra · 29/03/2015 08:29

Does religion play any part in your easter- or like me are you happy to have a cracking secular/pagan celebration?

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LineRunner · 30/03/2015 16:59

Matthew 12:40: 'the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'.

Think of it from a child's perspective. We had that verse read to us at Sunday School, and so yes I was confused about Easter Sunday as a child. There was no 'of course' about it. In fact it was that impatient attitude from the Sunday School teachers towards us children that made me hate going there tbh.

Anyway, like I said, it doesn't really matter any more.

MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 30/03/2015 17:08

Our easter is Jesus-free. I'm agnostic, OH is atheist. If there is a God, I'm sure he's forgiving enough to not mind me eating chocolate eggs rather than going to church Easter morning.

LineRunner · 30/03/2015 17:17

We used to boil eggs in onion skins to make them go yellow, and paint them. Then roll them down a hill. Did anyone else do that? Is it a real gimmer thing??

Sagethyme · 30/03/2015 17:18

Easter is a pagan festival anyway, just the Christians nabbed it! Also most important day in Christian calender becuase it 'proves' there is life after death (if you are a Christian!) .
It'll be a heretical easter for us this year!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 30/03/2015 17:31

It is a real gimmer thing LineRunner - but just the sort of thing I love Smile
I remember my DM telling me how she did this as a child (maybe during the war!) but then one year we did it with my DSIL (and DBIL) and my nephews in their village. They lived in Wales and they had a great, steep, hill for rolling the eggs down - with everyone charging after them like fell runners! Fantastic!

LineRunner · 30/03/2015 18:38

I was definitely a bit of a skippy Fotherington-Thomas type with the egg rolling.

FrillyBloomers · 30/03/2015 18:40

Atheist, so Easter to us is just chocolate for the kids and holidays.

The DC do know the Easter story though (as in 'some people believe this happened') and I do try to give things up for Lent some years out of childhood habit (although failed miserably on giving up wine this year).

GinAndSonic · 30/03/2015 18:41

Thoroughly pagan here. No jesus for me thank you. We have been talking a lot about the signs of the changing season, about the new life and the waking up of the earth after its long winter rest.

LineRunner · 30/03/2015 18:41

I do watch Ben Hur tbh.

championnibbler · 30/03/2015 18:45

jesus-free easter it is here.
plenty chocolate though.
religion is just a load of old made up cadswallop, in my opinion.

EthelDurant123 · 30/03/2015 18:47

Chocolate bunny for DC and dinner in the pub on Easter Sunday. Use Easter Monday to get over the hangover. Actually working shifts, this is the first Easter DH and I have planned for for years. It means absolutely nothing to us (except the hangover plan).

LineRunner · 30/03/2015 19:57

I was wondering what might be open on Easter Sunday.

Apparently it depends on the square footage area of the store.

The Council of Nicea in AD 325 would be proud.

fourteen · 30/03/2015 20:02

Actually I might take dd to church now that you mention it.

She's getting christened in the summer so we'd better show our faces...

Other than that it'll be egg rolling and Easter egg hunts. We're doing bonnet making too this year as I went a bit nuts in Hobbycraft last week...

antumbra · 30/03/2015 20:11

Are stores closed on Easter? All our big stores are open 24/7 as normal.

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LineRunner · 30/03/2015 20:12

Are you in Scotland, OP?

antumbra · 30/03/2015 20:13

Yes- we don't have these Sunday trading restrictions.

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DanaBarrett · 30/03/2015 20:40

No Jesus at our spring festival! Lots of eggs and chocolate! Only thing rising from the dead will be me when stop drinking lol! Dd1 is petrified of ghosts and zombies so I'm not going there.

Was just thinking the other day, wouldn't it have been better to have Christmas and Easter the other way round? All that new life and what have you in spring, a baby would have fit in better, jmo

Zadkiel · 30/03/2015 20:45

Pagan here too. For us it's about the turn of the seasonal wheel, the change from winter when all of nature is so still, to spring when the snowdrops then daffodils come, days get longer, lambs start to be born. From the "death" of everything over winter to the "rebirth" during spring.

The chocolate eggs, decorative eggs, chicks, lambs, pastel colours are all symbolic of that. As is a gathering to celebrate/mark the turn of the wheel, with food being seasonal.

That's the family aspect, I do more than that within the period of the spring equinox.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 30/03/2015 21:04

Jesus free

Dd's preschool are quite churchy. Around Xmas dd wouldn't stop going on about baby Jesus. I think they've decided to leave out the gruesome details of Easter.
It's chocolate, chicks, eggs, lambs and yet more chocolate Smile

ASorcererIsAWizardSquared · 31/03/2015 09:21

Matthew 12:40 isnt to do with the crucifixion though.

That happens later in 27/28

27.62 The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate 63 and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard of soldiers. Go, make it as secure as you can.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard.

Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow. 4 And for fear of him the guards trembled and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has risen, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead, and behold, he is going before you to Galilee; there you will see him. See, I have told you.” 8 So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me.”

Mark clearly states he died on the day before the sabbath (friday)
15:42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council, who was also himself looking for the kingdom of God, took courage and went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate was surprised to hear that he should have already died.[j] And summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. 45 And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the corpse to Joseph. 46 And Joseph[k] bought a linen shroud, and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen shroud and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb.

and that he rose on the day after the sabbath
16 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. 3 And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, dressed in a white robe, and they were alarmed. 6 And he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” 8 And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

Luke says the same thing. 23:50 to 24:12

John is a bit more vague, but still mentions the day of preparation and the first day of the week. Chapters 19 and 20.

Sorry everyone else.. i might be pagan but i studied Christianity at College, both bible study and philosophy.

LineRunner · 31/03/2015 11:49

AScorcerer, I appreciate the time you have put into writing your long answer - but can you see why young children at Sunday School might struggle with that?

Anyway, have a good Easter Smile

ASorcererIsAWizardSquared · 31/03/2015 15:22

oh i do understand, but as a few people on here said they didnt get the three days thing, i thought i'd explain :)

its apparently to do with the peculiarities of how judaism/jewish people count time/days. I don't know the truth of that, but i did read it somewhere :)

VelvetGreen · 01/04/2015 00:14

I mark the spring equinox, but don't celebrate Easter as such - i really don't understand how Easter can be seen as anything but a Christian festival. It clearly has attracted various cultural and commercial aspects that do not have a Christian derivation, but any evidence for it being a Pagan festival that was hijacked by the church is lacking. The closeness in date to the equinox is simply down to the connection of the date of Easter to Passover, based on the first full moon after the equinox.

Bede may well have been correct when he supposed that Eostur-monath was based on the worship of a goddess called Eostre, but there is also no evidence that the name was based on a goddess is anything other than speculation on his part. In any case, even if it were correct Eostur-monath corresponds to April, not March, and so certainly had no connection to the equinox. We should be celebrating Hretha, who is the goddess Bede says March is named for. As for Ostara, the name did not exist until Grimm coined it in the 1830s.

I don't doubt that the solstice would have been marked as an important date in the agrarian calender, but unlike other festivals such as Beltane or Samhain there really is no basis for a widespread celebration of this particular goddess at this particular time. Any evidence for Eostre is largely etymological - this is probably the most cohesive article i've read for her existence.

If it were proven that a goddess of this name was worshipped, we still know nothing about her rites or symbols or meaning beyond those that we impose, certainly no connection with eggs, bunnies or hares.

DrElizabethPlimpton · 01/04/2015 00:21

Very happy to be religion free here at the Plimpton home, this and every Easter.

meandjulio · 01/04/2015 00:33

Yes and no. DH and I are now atheists overall, though have both had various levels and types of religion in the past. DS was taken to synagogue and church in the past but opted out once I let him. Therefore chocolate and spring flowers for us. Since reading Wild Swans I talk a bit about 'treading on the spring green' which apparently is a Chinese tradition so that's going for a country walk, which I like doing.

But my Easter is still not Jesus-free as I went to church pretty regularly between ages 8 -16 so the Gospels are still in my head and I track all the festivals and hymns I used to know so well without really realising I am doing it. And yes it makes me sad that I haven't given that to ds; the trouble is, whenever I have tried to read the Bible with ds, which i have done a fair bit because of that cultural background and because of its role as the spine of literature in this country, we end up helpless with laughter or with me trailing off saying 'what.... on earth?' I have had to give up tbh.