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Any Christians doing children's work interested in a sharing support/ideas thread?

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Lovelydiscusfish · 05/09/2014 22:36

Just that really. Dh and I about to start running Messy Church in our parish, with a couple of other families. We have a lot of faith, and wonderful guidance from our vicar, but it feels a bit daunting nonetheless. I am also doing the talks for our lay-led family service once a month, which again, is wonderful, but can be daunting at times. Just wondering if anyone else is doing similar work and wanted to share anxieties/ideas/moans/prayers etc.

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cheapskatemum · 30/07/2015 23:09

Well done, TheO for your treasure chest idea and for getting the thread back on track. I would love to be doing a holiday club, but 60 children is just a pipe dream in our small community. However, nearly 300 homes are about to be built on the edge of town and with God, all things are possible, so watch this space! Messy Church continues to be well attended, so that's good for now.

TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 29/07/2015 08:17

Hello! Anyone still around?

We're nearly halfway through our piratey holiday club here! The first two days have been good - we were a little short of leaders on the first day, which made dealing with some of the more challenging behaviour a little different, but we had several more leaders yesterday, which meant we could have 1-to-1s for a few children who needed them.

We had a very successful craft yesterday that I'd been stressing about for weeks with exploding treasure chests - I mixed bicarb with water to form a paste, and froze it in ice cube trays with little beads and pennies hidden in it. The kids were in pairs/threes and were giving a washing up bowl, a squirty bottle full of vinegar, a pipette with which to access the bucket of hot water, and a spoon, and let loose to extract their 'treasure'. Most of them got stuck right into it, and only one child said "it's only beads" - the rest were really excited about their treasure, especially when the first penny was found ("I've found money! I've found money!")

Today we're off out, which means walking 60 kids to a field about fifteen minutes walk away, including crossing two main roads!!

Is anybody else doing any sort of holiday club this summer?

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 21/06/2015 21:47

Oh, ldf I'm sorry things have been difficult at your church recently - we went through a difficult patch a few years ago which resulted it quite a few people/families leaving the church, which was hard. I'm glad things are getting better now.

I think a week-day messy church in the summer sounds great. Would it be wrong to pray for bad weather so lots of people turn up?! Grin

We're running a week-long holiday club (aaaaaaaaaagh!) for 4-11s at the start of the summer. Somehow, we're going to make this one free to make it more accessible. We're looking at a pirate theme with the idea of Jesus as the "greatest treasure" with serious planning starting week after-next.

A couple of families in our church are starting a messy church in September, which is exciting but also something I'm trying to stay out of as much as possible since I'm already involved in the worship team, Sunday kidswork, mid-week kidswork and the parent and toddler group, and I probably ought to remember that I'm doing a degree too!

Lovelydiscusfish · 17/05/2015 21:47

Hi all! So sorry I haven't posted for so long. Have been going through some difficulties within our church, which made it feel harder to post (stupid I know - not least because you would all have been a great source of support with it all). All is getting better now. You've all been in my prayers.
Was wondering if anyone has any special plans for children's work over the summer? I'm hoping to organise something, like Messy Church but maybe a whole day in the week, during summer hols. It feels like families in our village might be quite keen on this - but am aware the offering would have to be appealing. We don't have many families/kids at "regular church", more at Messy Church, but still not huge numbers. But it's certainly got me thinking.

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cheapskatemum · 23/04/2015 21:35

TheO sorry I didn't see your posts about Easter activities earlier, but glad they all went well. I've taught on play schemes/kids clubs at my last church and would love to do so again. We used published materials: Going Bananas springs to mind.

TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 11/04/2015 19:31

Yes, thank you, LDF, everything went great - we had to reorganise the timings when we discovered activities we'd planned to take half an hour were only taking fifteen minutes, but they worked out fine in the end. The second day was more relaxed as we had a better idea of what we were doing. Two of the girls who were only signed up for the first day were heard to be complaining to their parents that they didn't get to come back the second day on the way out, so I think that means they enjoyed it!

Quite a few of the families don't come to Church, so we've invited them all for tomorrow - we've got a feedback slot in the service where we're going to show some pictures and a big canvas painting we did, and ask some of the kids about the holiday club.

Edible Easter gardens sound great - we made doughnut tombs at the holiday club - whipped cream coloured green, with half a ring doughnut stood up in the cream, and an oreo for the stone that rolled away.

Hi Becles ! Smile Have you got a children's leader who could lead worship with the kids? We had some kids mic'd up on Sunday, and the response from the congregation was great. Most of our congregation are usually up for some action songs! Could you also act out a Bible story, and call up members of the congregation to play certain parts - we have a traditional Christmas Day nativity that always beings something along the lines of "In a town called Nazareth there was a girl called Mary. Except Mary's real name was [insert name of unsuspecting congregation member]" Mostly it involves some poor acting to narration, with occasional repeating lines parrot-fashion. Also - we had a memorable Family Fortunes one Christmas - something that could be adapted for whatever the theme is?

Becles · 11/04/2015 16:53

Hi all

Have been avidly reading through the thread.

Looking for suggestions to stimulate ideas for the kids when discussing children's church taking over the running of a service. All I know so far is that the kids want the service to be more active and lots of audience participation - now how do I translate this, especially as it's the first time we've tried this.Confused

Lovelydiscusfish · 11/04/2015 16:45

New posts - happy Easter all! Obligatory (and anyone else around!), so sorry I missed your post. Am guessing I'm too late to pray for the success of your activity days, but will pray retrospectively for the impact of the work done at them! Hope all went smoothly, and that everyone (those organising included!) had a wonderful time. Did all go as planned/expected?
We had a fab service for Palm Sunday, with Shetland pony (?!), a bit of charging up and down the aisle (not on the Shetland),crafts afterwards, cake... It was lovely. I was actually away over Easter, so not planning to be involved in my local service anyway, which was just as well, as dd caught chicken pox, so we ended up not attending church at all on Easter Sunday - felt rather strange.
This Sunday we've got our (slightly belated) Easter-themed Messy Church - I'm doing edible Easter gardens, which I'm very exited about!

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 06/04/2015 21:19

Hello! Anyone still around?!

We had a lovely Easter service yesterday. The kids led two worship songs - me, a teenage leader and four of the kids (aged 8-10) were mic'd up, and the rest of the kids were on the stage doing the actions and singing too. The few people I spoke to afterwards were very complimentary and supportive. The kids also did a drama to a song, which was quite last minute (only rehearsing it last week and then a quick run through before the service) but they were wonderful, and made a large proportion of the congregation cry!

We've got Holiday Club two days this week - about 20 or so kids signed up, and we're just on last minute craft gathering and treasure hunt writing!

If anybody sees this - please pray that everything would run smoothly, that we'd forge new connections with the several families signed up who aren't involved in church or the midweek kids clubs, and that the kids would all have fun, but also come away with a good idea of what the cross and the empty tomb mean, which is our focus for the two days.

TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 20/02/2015 15:51

Has anyone here ever run or been part of running a holiday club? A friend and I are going to be running one at our church over Easter - four consecutive mornings with children aged 4-10. We're hoping for about 30-40 kids, who will probably mostly be children whose families don't come to the church, but who come to the midweek kids clubs. It's quite a daunting prospect - I helped at a holiday club last Easter, but I've never been in charge of something this big!

Any ideas/suggestions/reassurances?

cheapskatemum · 09/02/2015 22:38

Thanks for your prayer, LDF! I'm in charge of food again for this month's MC, so will definitely be there. Could you try giving each person a role or task if they find themselves at Messy Church, rather than their usual service? I was thrown in at the deep end the first time I went to Messy Church. One of the craft table leaders was ill, so I was asked to deputise at the last minute. It was the food related task: decorating gingerbread men, women and children to make up gingerbread families. Unsurprisingly it was the most popular craft, so I got to meet all the new families and I really enjoyed it - no chance to feel awkward or shy!

TheO your parable review idea sounds good, the children might like to do a mime for each parable too (e.g. mime sowing seeds) - I find some prefer to be active!

TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 08/02/2015 19:29

I'm glad you had new faces at your MC, LDF . I remember fondly making palm leaves and sticking them on sticks and waving them about when I was about 9/10 - I loved it, although the splinters from the sticks, not so much! Also, whatever you do, don't buy masses and masses of green paper for leaves, so that you end up using it for pretty much every craft for the next year - we still have masses of the stuff, despite using it for the aforementioned palm leaves last Easter, and as the background for almost every craft since, and even using about 30 sheets for stepping stones in a "Road to Damascus" game.

I was in the worship band today, so didn't get much chance to check how Children's Church was going, but from what I heard it went well, and I have some lovely pictures to sort through for the notice board - including some gorgeous concentrating faces as they did coin rubbings - it was the story of the lost coin today.

We've just got one more week of our current "Stories Jesus Told" series (the Two Sons - where one son said he'd help and didn't and the other said he wouldn't but then he did, so focussing on what you say vs what you do, and helping others - any craft ideas would be greatly appreciated) and then a review week of all the parables we've learnt - does anyone have any ideas of what that would like? - I'm thinking having a discussion about each story using the noticeboard which has a craft for each story and photos of the session, and the "jelly bean box" which has an item in which represents each story; and then perhaps letting someone pick their favourite story to re-read, but I'm not sure that would fill the whole time (anywhere between 40 minutes and 1h15, depending on if there's anything special going on in the service before the kids go out, and how long the sermon is).

And then I just have to work out the finer details of the "Fruits of the Spirit" series...

Lovelydiscusfish · 08/02/2015 18:15

Happy Sunday everyone! Keep meaning to post and see how everyone is getting on - hope whatever you were involved in today went well! We had our MC, and despite lots of our regulars being absent, lots of new faces were there, which was lovely.
Am hoping to plan something child-focused for Palm Sunday, to try and draw some potential new people in, hopefully borrowing a donkey, and also doing a bit of donkey-themed craft after the service - if anyone has any fab Palm Sunday ideas for children, they'd be gratefully received.
Cheapskate, was thinking more about your issue of the regulars coming to your MC but not getting involved - didn't come up with any answers though (but did say a prayer for you!) We are considering having our MC as one of our services, rather than an extra (due to the fall in numbers at some services), so am wondering if we might face the same problems!

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cheapskatemum · 27/01/2015 19:47

Wow, TheO, that sounds amazing! Just about to watch the football, but to answer your question, Lovelyd they are middle aged. Our most elderly member, aged 92, joins in with the activities with gusto!

Lovelydiscusfish · 27/01/2015 17:58

TheObligatory, I think your fruits of the spirit idea sounds fab, especially the pencil case and laminated fruits as an aide memoire - my dd would love the idea of collecting these, and it would really help her to understand and remember the messages, I think. Even more so for slightly older children.
Cheapskate, that does sound tricky with the congregation members coming and just sitting in their seats! Are they older people, generally, or a mixture? I only ask, because I occasionally have this vision of one day turning our MC to more of an all-age community type event, with a coffee and cake bit for older people in the community and maybe crafts - some of the older ladies in our village do a lot of joint craft projects anyway, for example crocheting poppies for the church for Remembrance, and there are craft groups already taking place, so to somehow combine the two... No idea how this would work in practice, whether there would be any interest, etc, but I just like the idea of all generations being there together, eating and sharing fellowship and doing craft, and of course coming together for the Celebration!

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 26/01/2015 20:33

I hope your MC goes well next Sunday, madhairday .

I had a lovely morning yesterday with my pre-schoolers. We're doing parables at the moment, and yesterday it was the wise man who built his house upon the rock. We read the story (from Stories Jesus Told, which is my favourite kids book ever - I wish they'd done every Bible story like this, because it's about the only thing that keeps everyone in a group of mixed 2 1/2 to 4 1/2 year olds' attention the whole way through), and then had a discussion where the houses were built and what happened when it started to rain (I love the details in that book, because we were talking about the house on the sand, and I said "and then the rain dripped on his head" and I was shouted down by several of them "no, on his nose!"). Then we talked about their houses, and what they looked like, and where they were built. We also had a little discussion about what Jesus meant when he said that he was like the rock ("does he look like a rock? Or is he strong like a rock?"). Then we passed a stone around to feel how it was hard like a rock, and put it in our jelly bean box (shoebox covered in jelly bean wrapping paper, with an item to remind us of each parable in it). A couple of them (not just the child-who-answers-all-the-questions - which there seems to be one of in whichever group of children you have) remembered what the story was last week, and why we had a plaster in the box (Good Samaritan). Then we built a house out of duplo and poured water over it to see what happened when it rained, ditto a sandcastle. I've got some gorgeous pictures of their faces as they watched me pouring the water, to go on the noticeboard for next week.

I'm trying to sort out what we should do for the rest of the term, and I think I've settled on the fruits of the spirit, starting with pictures of trees ("What tree is this?" "A insert-name-of-tree-here tree." "How do we know?" "Because it's growing x fruit" repeat ad nauseum until "Jesus wants us to be Jesus-trees. How will people know we're Jesus-trees? Because we're growing Jesus-fruit. What is Jesus-fruit? It's love, kindness etc"). I've also seen a demonstration with an over-ripe black banana, and a ripe banana, asking the children which one they'd rather have, and explaining that God wants us to be like the nice ripe banana, etc.

We'd then focus on one (or two some weeks, because there aren't quite enough weeks) fruit each week, with each spiritual fruit having a physical fruit which corresponds with it (so strawberries are love because they're heart-shaped, oranges are joy because the segments make smiley-faces, bananas are faithfulness because they stick together in a bunch etc), with a bible story where someone demonstrates that fruit, a craft to do with that fruit, and the physical fruit as a snack.

I was also thinking about giving each child a clear pencil case with laminated fruits in it (a picture of the fruit and the fruit-of-the-spirit word on it), which they could take home and bring back each week to collect more fruits, and encourage the parents to help the children use it each week, to recognise when they might need to be kind to someone, or patient for something, and use the fruits to remind to pray for it, but I'm not confident the pencil cases would come back each week - has anyone had any experience of children having things they should bring backwards and forwards each week, and does it work?

And more generally, does anyone who's still awake after my mammoth post have any ideas or comments? I really wish I could ask the person who's usually in charge of writing all the teaching for advice on this, but she's on Sabbatical until March :-(

cheapskatemum · 26/01/2015 19:21

Thanks for your best wishes! MC went quite well, not nearly as many as came before Christmas, but we have 3 or 4 families who come regularly (including the Dad who yawned, encouragingly). I forgot the fruit drinks, but food seemed to go down ok. The theme was the tax man at the Temple. I'm afraid I was a bit removed from the activities, but the one that seemed most popular was the dressing up outfits. The message being God doesn't care what you look like on the outside, he's more interested in what you're like on the inside. It was great to have Super/Spiderman(girl, actually), Buzz Lightyear, Tinkerbell etc zooming round the church. Also, a gorgeous crawling baby with angel wings. It was a tricky theme, I think, and one the organisers were a bit unsure about, but the families reacted well to it.

One thing I've noticed is that some of our regular church attenders struggle to integrate on MC Sundays. They come, because it's our only Sunday service, but just sit in their usual seats, while all the activity goes on around them! I feel this must look a bit odd to people who are new to the church. I must admit that, even though I am sociable and fairly gregarious, I find it difficult to find ways to interact, though I do try. Your suggestions and prayers about this would be appreciated, please!

madhairday · 25/01/2015 17:45

Thanks cheapskate - funnily enough we did decide to go for the Light stuff in the end. Our first service had 10 young children (and more older ones) so we were really pleased, I think we might need to order more copies as we only ordered 10...it is really well laid out and has lots of ideas so easy to use. Also like the craft ideas it has.

Hope your MC has gone well.

Lovelydiscus - for our MC next sunday we are doing Gideon and how we can trust God even when we feel weak, and God doesn't just want strong people etc. We're making swords with cardboard, foil and sticky jewels, and acting out the story (our MC isn't really MC but a different format more to do with storytelling) For the littlest ones we have some toys on a mat - Little people/happyland etc and we act out the story with them. For prayers we are giving everyone a paper shield and asking them to write/draw a battle they feel they are facing at the moment, then give it over to God and ask for his protection. Hope that's helpful. I'd also love to hear more MC etc ideas.

Lovelydiscusfish · 25/01/2015 17:38

Hope your MC today went well, Cheapskate! Do you mind if I ask what theme you used, and whether it worked well? Am always looking for new ideas. Hope the food prep went well, too!
I'm just steeling myself to go out to Evensong - it will be great when I get there, but it's just so cold and dark!

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cheapskatemum · 22/01/2015 22:17

We use the SU schemes Madhairday as we've only started Sunday School in the last year and they seemed a good place to begin. Our services are always fairly sparsely attended, we're a small church, that's why we were so encouraged by the numbers attending the mother and toddler group Christmas party and Messy Church before Christmas. Happy New Year everyone! Our first Messy Church of 2015 is on Sunday and I'm organising the food.

Lovelydiscusfish · 12/01/2015 18:48

Thanks for the great links, TheObligatory, and sorry to hear your day yesterday was stressful!

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 12/01/2015 08:12

LDF we had a very poorly attended service between Christmas and New Year, but it's been pretty much back to normal the past two weeks. We had a day of prayer on Saturday, which I must confess, since I was up to my neck in essay, my only contribution to was looking after some of the children for an hour so their parents could lead the session, but from what other people said, I think it went well.

Then yesterday I discovered the joys of multi-tasking as I tried to make sure that the person running the pre-school group had everything she needed, as well as being in the worship band! And then I discovered that someone had used the noticeboard which goes up outside Children's Church telling the parents what we're doing in the prayer day, and had taken all the Children's Church stuff off it and thrown it away! So no noticeboard yesterday, and I shall have to redo it on Thursday...

Heart Weaving The instructions have been translated into English, but I think they're clear enough to follow. Good for adults and older children.

Heart Glasses - could you make something of this along the lines of choosing to see through your love glasses; seeing the good in people and what's to love about them? Perhaps using Although, listening to the original for the first time, I think I prefer .

Lovelydiscusfish · 11/01/2015 18:46

Happy New Year all! Hope you all had a wonderful Christmas.
Sorry no ideas Madhairday, as we just do a Messy Church and pick a different theme each time, and make it up as we go along, rather than anything more structured. I think the Sunday Club in our benefice is the same. But hopefully my post will bump it for you, and so done more knowledgable than I might come along with other suggestions!
Hope everyone's Sunday went well. We had Messy Church, so am exhausted after that, but numbers are creeping up each time, which is fab! Our theme next time is "Love", (quite a broad one), so if anyone has any crafty ideas for that, they'd be gratefully received.
At our general services, sadly, we've noticed a distinct lull in numbers in January after great attendance at our Christmas services - I wondered if this is something any other churches see?

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 10/01/2015 10:02

Madhairday I expect someone more knowledgeable will come along at some point, but our church doesn't use any schemes anymore, since we kept finding that there was so much we had to change to make it work for our groups, and it usually ended up being quicker just to write our own. So now we come up with a theme/focus for the term (recent ones have been Acts, Creation, Moses, Fruits of the Spirit, Parables, Miracles, Joseph etc) and then the writing of the teaching gets delegated to various people. This term, since the person who is usually in charge of the childrens work is on sabbatical for six weeks, I'm in charge of writing the teaching for the pre-school group (usually about 5-9 kids aged 2.9 until they go to school, so the eldest at the moment is 4.3). I'm using the Nick Butterworth/Mick Ikpen book "Stories Jesus Told", and pinterest, mainly.