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Crushed by Born Again Christianity

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OutwiththeOutCrowd · 30/08/2014 17:42

Many, many years ago, while we were at university, my then boyfriend became a born-again Christian. There was a lot of pressure on him from more established converts - church elders - to drop me. I never met any of the elders. They were shadowy figures in the background providing counsel to my boyfriend. They asserted I was a bad influence and eventually - after many difficult months - we split up.

I am sure our relationship would have run its course naturally at some point given our differing outlooks, but the artificial ending, the rejection of me by my boyfriend on religious grounds and the condemnation of me by members of the Christian group - they painted me as a scarlet woman - have all had a long-lasting effect on me.

There have been times in my life when I have felt I would like to explore the spiritual dimension of experience a little further (whatever that means!) but have felt blocked. Christianity is culturally familiar from my schooldays but even the word 'Jesus' now sends a cold shiver of dread down my spine because of the 'born-again boyfriend' episode. Other religions just seem foreign to me although I have found it interesting to read about them.

Sometimes I think it would be possible to be spiritual without buying into an established religion wholesale - but then I'm overwhelmed by a horrible feeling that the God stuff is only for 'proper' believers - ie the Born Agains - as if they've annexed off the whole terrain.

In the years since my ex-boyfriend's conversion, I've met many Christians - kind people who have not rejected me on account of my lack of faith - yet somehow their influence does not negate that early traumatic experience.

My ex-boyfriend is now a pastor with an equally devout wife and a small flock of followers. I no longer live near him but know something of his current attitudes from his writings on the Internet. (I know I shouldn't look at them!)

If anything, his views are even more entrenched than they were immediately post-conversion. His words are misanthropic and judgemental. I feel downcast after reading them but keep returning to look. I think I might be set free by some small indication of humility or doubt.

In many ways, I have moved on. I am settled with my DP and DS. I certainly don't want to be with my ex-boyfriend. It's just this uncomfortable feeling around religion that remains ...

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has had a similar experience. Were you the one 'left behind' after the conversion of your much-loved boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse? How did you cope? Did you ultimately find your own spiritual identity or contentment in atheism?

I'd also like to hear from converts. Did you break up with someone as a result of your conversion? Were you urged to do so by church elders? Was it difficult for you or did your faith carry you through?

Thank you for reading.

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amicissimma · 24/11/2014 16:32

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iamEarthymama · 24/11/2014 16:51

I was brought up in the Church in Wales, taught Sunday School etc. I took it all very seriously until I discovered Feminism and realised that the Church was misogynist and hierarchical and that there was so much more to life.

I went on to explore that 'much more' with energy and enthusiasm ???? but over time realised that I did not want to continue with a materialistic life style; surely there is more.

I have friends whose lives have been affected to a horrendous degree by the zealots of evangelical Christianity. A good friend has shared my exploration of spirituality rather than religion and we find great comfort in Nature and Earth based spiritual paths.

I guess what I am trying to say is, your hurt is understandable, but leave it in the past. Stop Goggling and start reading and exploring all the Wonders around us.

I wish you good fortune

bigbluestars · 25/11/2014 07:00

amicissimma- you may be a sinner, but don't tar me and my children with your own filthy brush.

If god loves us all the same why can we only find redemption through faiith? If he is so big hearted why don't we all have a place in heaven- atheists, muslims, heathens?

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 25/11/2014 08:41

You may rejoice to think yourselves secure;
You may be grateful for the gift divine -
That grace unsought, which made your black hearts pure,
And fits your earth-born souls in Heaven to shine.

But, is it sweet to look around, and view
Thousands excluded from that happiness
Which they deserved, at least, as much as you, -
Their faults not greater, nor their virtues less?

... a fragment of a poem by Anne Bronte who was a universalist. I too believe that any God (should such an entity exist) worthy of our esteem would not have an 'in crowd' composed only of those who have adopted a certain narrow creed.

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bigbluestars · 30/11/2014 19:25

jesusonastick- how patronising!!

The trouble is that god does not exist.

bigbluestars · 30/11/2014 19:30

amicissimma- so those with faith in a christian god have a place in heaven. What about those of no faith or those who have no opportunity to learn of god- jungle dwelling heathens for instance. Will those people burn in hell?

If so god isn't very nice. Surely he should offer a pearly place no matter what.

capsium · 01/12/2014 10:30

bigblue I believe we all have a choice. If you don't want to be at one with God, do not agree with what He stands for, you can be apart / separate from Him. As a Christian I call being completely at one with God, heaven.

Even those who do not know what other people might call Him, in their language, can choose the things of God. I believe the best way to understand what God is like, is to look at what Christ, the embodiment of God, did here on earth.

If you look at your own beliefs and values, what you think of as good, there is probably a lot of this, that is in common with what Christ did. If you focused on these things you have in common, firstly, you might find more understanding of who He is.

bigbluestars · 01/12/2014 10:36

But altruiman is not an invention of christianity.
You may call good deeds "godly", but christianity was built around existing moral values of society.
You may call good deeds "godly" but that doesn't make it so.

capsium · 01/12/2014 10:47

big A god can be described as everything we hold on high, the things that we find most important, everything that we consider good. Everyone has 'god(s)' in all but name, if they consider anything to be good or important.

If your 'good' matches with what Christ stood for, you are in agreement with what I call God, at least in part. That much we have in common, contain the same substance - so to speak. No matter what language is used.

bigbluestars · 01/12/2014 10:50

"A god can be described as everything we hold on high"

You may describe a god as that- I don't. A god is a man made icon used to weild power and control others. Nasty and pernicious.

capsium · 01/12/2014 11:00

big I was giving you my definition, it is one others understand though, so not exclusive to myself. What do you call everything that you hold on high, regard as good and of utmost importance?

Your definition of a god:

A god is a man made icon used to weild power and control others. Nasty and pernicious.

is what I would regard of as a false idol, which quite rightly, you wouldn't want to worship either.

bigbluestars · 01/12/2014 11:03

capsium, I didn't realise you were using the "Royal " we when you gave your definition.

All gods are false. Unless you can give me some proof.

capsium · 01/12/2014 11:13

big

I wasn't using the "Royal" we, not consciously anyway. However, as the Queen's believes she should stand up for and serve the people of her country, I want to be of use, in terms of doing what is right also.

If, at the very least a common, definition of what is a god, is everything that is held up on high as good and of utmost importance, then I am assuming there will be things that you regard in this manner, big and thus (in terms of this definition) have a god(s). If all this is false, your god(s) is/are false, as you have declared in your last post, then you would be saying everything you regard as good and of utmost importance is false. Where does this leave you?

bigbluestars · 01/12/2014 13:37

That is your definition yo uare applying though- not mine. I have no gods in my life.

capsium · 01/12/2014 13:49

What do you call all the things/values/qualities you find good, hold in high esteem and of utmost importance, then, big?

Or is there no group of things/values/qualities that you regard good and of utmost importance? Are you of the school of thought, that views what is good, according to the context?

What does, what you call false in your earlier post, refer to? What does what you label false encompass, what sort of properties, qualities?

bigbluestars · 01/12/2014 14:10

I dont call them god that's for sure.

capsium · 01/12/2014 14:16

Well many people do call everything they regard as good, hold in the highest esteem and of utmost importance their G(g)od(s).

Useful to know in terms of translation, understanding other people.

Added to this what they consider G(g)odly might also have a lot in common with what you consider good, big - it would be futile to be offended by other people's 'good' just because they call it something different, IMO.

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