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do you think children can see spirits?

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buffythenappyslayer · 21/08/2006 11:38

before i say why,id just like to see what peoples views are!

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Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:32

Interesting thread. Was wondering this too as DD2 (8 mo) is often transfixed by someone / something who she smiles and waves to.

Expat - sad about the mother and son. When you say move them on - where do you move them to. Are they re-united?

expatinscotland · 21/08/2006 14:33

For some, they are just looking for acknowledgment.

Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:36

Acknowledgement of what? Their death? Or their former existence?

waterfalls · 21/08/2006 14:36

I read a story once about the reoccurance of spirits, where a bloke used to witness every night 2 children (sisters) cowaring and crying in a built in cupboard, apparently hiding from thier violent father, who murdered them really upsetting.

Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:39

From many of these stories it seems that the sprit dies in upsetting / traumatic circumstances. Is it only these spirits that need help or are there happy ones?

Sorry if my questions seem banal - I've 'saw' & experiecenced a few things myself as a child (not now tho) and it has left a latent curiosity.

expatinscotland · 21/08/2006 14:40

My grandmother taught me how to move things on.

Again, you need to be VERY in touch w/what you sense, b/c if you sense anything you are uncomfortable with, you must leave it unless you are extremely experienced, even then, but not to go at it alone!

Either call in someone more professional and experienced, or leave it for a bit if you can.

That is what I did w/the mother. After a while, if I just let myself sense her, there was a great deal of sadness behind her anger. I just had to get past the fright and let her communicate.

But this was VERY hard, b/c part of it is that you're going to feel what they do, and this was a mother's loss of her 5-year-old son.

Her grief was little short of overwhelming. She was not allowed to time and space to grieve much over his death - it was about 1876, she was 23, and had other children. She had to buck up and hide and carry that sadness in her heart w/her all the days she was alive, that's what was expected of her.

Once someone could acknowledge how she felt, shed a tear for what she went through, she was ready to move on.

expatinscotland · 21/08/2006 14:42

I do not feel her anymore. Except there is a lingering, protective sense over that room, like no harm can come there.

Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:44

So have her and her son been wondering around for 100+ in limbo?

I can't get my head round it but I really want to.

waterfalls · 21/08/2006 14:44

Do you know the spirits time zone is the same, it saddens me to think this woman was grieving for 130 years.

southeastastra · 21/08/2006 14:45

that's so sad expat

Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:46

Crossed posts, Waterfalls. The image of both the son and mother grieving and searching for each other / peace for so very long is so harrowing to me.

SleepyJess · 21/08/2006 14:49

I have read that when you see images (or apparitions) of people enacting the same thing over and over, that this isn't actually a spirit presence but a sort of 'recording' of an event... of something that happened there to those people at some point in history. An interesting relection on this is the belief that 'time' is not at all as most of us understand it.. ie not linear.. but that all things are happening in the enternal moment of "now" (past, present and hitory) so those of us who can sometimes 'see' these 'recordings'; are sensitive enough to pick these up, are in effect sort of 'time travelling'...

expatinscotland · 21/08/2006 14:51

That was really, really hard. As I said it took me months till she was able to move on. I could feel her holding that dying child and be able to do nothing for him. He coughed and coughed. And she was exhausted. So very tired, b/c she had everything else to do, that she felt an element of relief when he died and this absolutely tore her up w/guilt.

Haven't we all been there? Your child is ill and up all night and your arse is absolutely dragging on the ground. Only we know, w/modern medicine, that most of the time, our children will get better.

And to have to carry that with you and get on w/things and not be able to let your soul grieve properly must have been so torturous.

No wonder she was so angry at first.

But afterwards, I felt very powerful. For a bit, until I remembered that is not a good thing.

Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:52

Which would explain premonisitons I suppose, SleepyJess. Interesting theory.

Pennies · 21/08/2006 14:54

Expat. So very sad. Poor lady and poor little man.

expatinscotland · 21/08/2006 14:56

They are in a better place now, Pennies. What happened to them is a distant memory, if it is a memory at all.

I do not feel sorry for them. Just happy to have been of service.

waterfalls · 21/08/2006 14:56

Oh I have changed my mind, I would'nt like to have that gift, it must have been so traumatic for you too expatinscotland.

MrsJohnCusack · 21/08/2006 14:57

when I was a kid I used to talk to an old man in our spare room and provide v.detailed descriptions of him and our conversations to my rather freaked out family. Was also once able to tell my mum that there were some knives hidden on top of a very tall wardrobe that was there when we moved in - indeed they were there - there's no way I could have seen them myself as it really was a massive thing.
(an old man did die in that house, he was also born there and lived there all his life). I wasn't one for imaginary friends (although I did pretend I had horses!) at any other point.

I also had some other more frightening experiences there when I was in my early teens but they stopped.

TenaLady · 21/08/2006 14:57

Havent read all thread but my ds has had a friend for around 2 years now. Tells him how to dance, how to behave oooh many things. He tells me that his friend who is an animal incidentally was a dancer and lives in heaven on one of the clouds. HIS friend is a she and not a he and has always corrected me when i test it.

I have to say that some of the things HIS friend tells him seem very grown up, cant think of some of the things at the moment (just had a bump to the head)! but even dh looks at me across the room when he talks about some of the things HIS friend tells him.

So maybe, in answer to the question posted.

SaintGeorgeMarple · 21/08/2006 14:58

Had to vanish for a while there. My mum rang me, said her ears were burning

SleepyJess · 21/08/2006 14:58

Waterfalls, if you apply the same belief about time (what I was just waffling about in previous post) to what you were saying about souls who grieve, then no, she would not have been grieving, or searching, for 130 years - to her it would be momentary.. or brief. And if time really isn't linear, then it would explain why some people are convinced that they have lived previous lives (we possible all have.. many hundreds of them!) and that some are even convincved that they were famous people (why not?). It would also mean that someone who has been reborn onto the earth, can still be contacted via mediums to people looking for contact in this life (as obviously, not all mediums are fakes as this thread shows).

It would also make it possible for us to draw out loved ones (who we have lost) close to us with the power of thought (which many believe is what we do do even though we largely remain unaware of it). It wouldn't matter 'where' they were, what they were doing 'now' or even 'even' they were.. because the every moment ism in fact, 'now'. We just don't experience things that way in the realm of the relative. We're not supposed to.

Very hard to get our heads around because we live with the strong belief of past, present and future but it's quite possible (probable?) that this this isn't actually 'how things are' at all.

SleepyJess · 21/08/2006 15:02

even 'who' they were, they should say. I am typing illiterately as supposed to be writing an essay in another window but am drawn to this thread!

expatinscotland · 21/08/2006 15:05

You see why I was so frightened for so long, waterfalls?

I think I always had it, but whatever my gran did staved it off until I was mature enough to deal w/it somewhat.

I can't say I'm pleased w/some of what I sense, however, and wish I could learn to control it more.

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buffythenappyslayer · 21/08/2006 15:12

im like that expat,i wish i could control some of the things i sense,or some heavenly eing could censor someof the bad bits out!!

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fuzzywuzzy · 21/08/2006 15:20

My grandmother always said her eldest son (my paternal uncle) saw something just before her brother died, uncle (was a tiny little boy at the time)pointed at something in the middle of the room and kept repeating 'he's here he's here', and her brother passed away shortly after that......

My sister in law told me she sees a murdered neighbour pretty regularly. The woman was murdered by her mother and sister in law.
My sister says when she sees her, the girl is carrying a child in her arms (she was pregnant at the time she was killed), the girl begs for alms, and comes around really late at night, she tends to disappear a few feet from the house she was killed.....

Personally I've never seen a dead person (to my knowledge, think it would push me over the edge tbh). But I always get a warning (the only way to describe it really) before something terrible is going to happen in the family or to close friends, which I really really hate, as I then spend the entire time from the warning till the event, ringing round close friends and relatives ensuring they are OK (and pretending I'm not nuts).

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