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So I had this child from the local Catholic church for a playdate...

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SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 11:52

We were playing school and they decided it was assembly time.

So Catholic Child (7) stood up and started speaking about catholic faith and Jesus, and how Catholics are wonderful people who help whoever is in need and the elderly, and how Jesus will bless all the Christians when they die and they will all go to heaven, and how it is important to be a Christian and go to Catholic Church and say prayers regularly.

Than Muslin Child (6) followed saying that she is a Muslin and so is her family and lots of her friends and they are also good people who help the ones in need and the elderly too, and it doesn't matter your religion or which church you go to as long and we respect each other and don't do bad things.

Than Catholic child was embarrassed and said that she meant to say everything Muslin child said....

Than my own child (6) stands up and do a comedy piece that got nothing to do with religion.

I was just astounded that these children shows so much religion awareness at this age and the Catholic child would feel the urge to bring religion in the playing, although I understand this is probably what happens all the time at her school.
I am so glad my daughter doesn't go to that school.
I am very proud of the Muslin girl and she just goes to a mixed community school, which seems that is doing a better job about teaching R.E

Oh and I have had the catholic child for a sleep over once and she had trouble falling asleep since I couldn't pray and sing christian songs exactly like her parents do every night. I did my best.

I can't help feeling a bit sorry for this kid.

And I am Christian by the way.

Oh and forgot to say: Catholic girl spent most of half term in her house in order not to be exposed to Halloween stuff going on and in fact on Halloween day they never left the house because apparently this a bad and heavy day when lots of evil things happens.

I am not mad at halloween either and I don't go trick or treating mainly because I am on the shy side but I am solo glad there are Halloween activities going on during the half term.

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unlucky83 · 02/11/2013 12:45

Our local Church of Scotland held a Halloween party - but none of the children were allowed to dress as anything 'scary' in case it frightened the younger ones ...and were surprised that they only got about 3 children turning up (but of course also most of them were out guising)
And a local preschool group use one of the church halls and wanted to use for a fundraising halloween party in the evening - but it was deemed inappropriate...
So Christians can definitely be a bit Hmm about Halloween
But I would suggest the catholic child in question is more indoctrinated by their parents than the school ...and fingers crossed for a teenage rebellion of biblical proportions!

DioneTheDiabolist · 02/11/2013 12:46

OP, how does your child know these children?

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 02/11/2013 12:48

"A catholic, a Muslim and another child walked into a bar had a playdate..."

Grin
LOLisNOTaPunctuationMark · 02/11/2013 12:49

The reason people are getting angry about your OP is because it's blatant Catholic-bashing.

I am so glad my daughter doesn't go to that school.
Why? Have you visited the school? Or are you basing your opinion on it because you witnessed a little girl talk about religion?

I am very proud of the Muslin girl and she just goes to a mixed community school, which seems that is doing a better job about teaching R.E Quite patronising, but also quite anti-Catholic.

Oh and I have had the catholic child for a sleep over once and she had trouble falling asleep since I couldn't pray and sing christian songs exactly like her parents do every night. Hmm Quite clearly this heavy religion rubbish is coming from the parents, not the school. I've never sang hymns or prayed with my 5yo at night (except when she saw a dead worm and asked if we could say a Hail Mary for him). We read a bit of Roald Dahl, sing nursery rhymes, read poems - none of which have religion as a theme.

Catholic girl spent most of half term in her house in order not to be exposed to Halloween stuff going on and in fact on Halloween day they never left the house because apparently this a bad and heavy day when lots of evil things happens. As said before, there are about 10 Catholic schools that i know of, all of which celebrate Halloween with gusto as well as Fireworks night.

You should be directing your sympathy and annoyance at the girl's parents. Not at her school, not at Catholic schools, and not at all Catholics.

ixqic · 02/11/2013 12:50

Some Christians are Hmm about Halloween. Many evangelicals seem to be. I know nothing re the Church of Scotland so I can't comment. Regarding Catholicism in England however it would be a sourpuss v old fashioned priest who would behave that way about Halloween and burdened his parishioners with it.

edam · 02/11/2013 12:52

It's not 'Catholic-bashing' whatever that is, it's the OP's account of stuff that actually happened.

LOLisNOTaPunctuationMark · 02/11/2013 12:57

Well my daughter's school went to mass yesterday (first Fri of each month) and the priest came to the school afterwards with a huge box of sweets for the teachers to hand out. Grin

He is very young though and gorgeous Grin

Species8472 · 02/11/2013 13:00

My DH's family are Irish Catholics and seem to bloody love Hallow'een. There is a lot of dressing up and trick or treating. On the other hand my dad and step-mum are born-again Christians and view Hallow'een as pretty sinister and 'wrong'. They have been known to give out leaflets on the Alpha course to trick-or-treaters.

edam · 02/11/2013 13:01

Aw, that sounds lovely, Lol.

ILoveAFullFridge · 02/11/2013 13:02

I went to a religious primary school - and I don't mean faith, I mean religious. We weren't taught much about other religions (this was pre-NC). There were plenty of occasions when I found myself on company with children of other religions and we compared notes.

The OP sounds perfectly feasible. Not something I would expect in today's pluralist society and at a state school, though.

ILoveAFullFridge · 02/11/2013 13:08

I am very proud of the Muslin girl and she just goes to a mixed community school, which seems that is doing a better job about teaching R.E Quite patronising, but also quite anti-Catholic.

No, neither patronising not anti-Catholic. In fact, the precise reason why my dc go to a non-affiliated school, and I make myself available when they teach Judaism.

SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 13:09

I know other kids from the catholic school in question and they celebrate halloween every year. I said the parents were not happy about Halloween, not the catholic school or catholic church.

I know the muslim child because she went to nursery with my child and I became friends with her mum. They are at different schools now since my daughter was given a place in another school but the friendship between us all didn't die.

I know the catholic child because 2,5 years ago, my daughter and the child started playing together at my local playground. So me and the other mother realised we are from the same country and also she had just moved from the area and we became friends.

I am so glad my daughter doesn't go to that school.
Why? Have you visited the school? Or are you basing your opinion on it because you witnessed a little girl talk about religion?

I just stupidly assumed that the girls was having a very strict catholic upbringing because of her school but now I see how much of a big role the parents are playing on it. Also some people that I know from their school turns their nose up to every other school in the area - and I am not bashing catholic schools and parents who send their children there now - Even my friend wants to convince me to change my daughter's school to the catholic one, and I am not sure why since I love my daughter school and always did.

I am very proud of the Muslin girl and she just goes to a mixed community school, which seems that is doing a better job about teaching R.E Quite patronising, but also quite anti-Catholic.
I don't see as patronising or anti catholic and I am talking about these particular children and their relationship with their religions/schools. i have never generalised here..or at least wasn't my inattention. But you only have my word for this.

Oh and I have had the catholic child for a sleep over once and she had trouble falling asleep since I couldn't pray and sing christian songs exactly like her parents do every night. Quite clearly this heavy religion rubbish is coming from the parents, not the school. I've never sang hymns or prayed with my 5yo at night (except when she saw a dead worm and asked if we could say a Hail Mary for him). We read a bit of Roald Dahl, sing nursery rhymes, read poems - none of which have religion as a theme.
Agree. But as I never bashed catholic religion.....

Catholic girl spent most of half term in her house in order not to be exposed to Halloween stuff going on and in fact on Halloween day they never left the house because apparently this a bad and heavy day when lots of evil things happens. As said before, there are about 10 Catholic schools that i know of, all of which celebrate Halloween with gusto as well as Fireworks night
Same as above

You should be directing your sympathy and annoyance at the girl's parents. Not at her school, not at Catholic schools, and not at all Catholics
So when did I direct my annoyance at the catholic community in general???? I am not even annoyed but surprised.

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SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 13:13

I should have posted exactly the same OP but saying religion A and religion B .
Sadly I just had this idea now.

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SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 13:26

Thread reported by myself

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LOLisNOTaPunctuationMark · 02/11/2013 13:36

No, neither patronising not anti-Catholic. In fact, the precise reason why my dc go to a non-affiliated school, and I make myself available when they teach Judaism.

What is the your exact reason?

Do you also think that the OP's Catholic girl's speech is a result of her schooling and not her parents doing? There have been several people on this thread who have said they are either Catholics themselves or know Catholics, and don't act in this way.

Catholic pupils are also taught about various religions. The P.7s at my daughter's school are doing a 2-month project about Judaism just now.

I think that there are still far too many people who believe that all Catholics devote their lives to hymns and prayers, refuse to acknowledge others faiths, shield their children from anything not to do with their religion etc. Catholics aren't some sub-species of human. They are normal people with a right to believe in whatever they want, just like Buddhists, Jewish people, Pagans etc.

I have friends at university from all sorts of backgrounds. My opinions of them are based on their personalities, not on their religion, their financial positions, their accents, their race, their sexual orientation, their family situations, the clothes they were. i consider people as individuals. I don't lump them into a category and stereotype them. yet there are so many people who do this quite readily when it comes to Catholics (or Christianity in general). Confused

SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 13:42

Ok I realised I made the mistake of assuming that her school was only teaching Catholic religion and yadayada, but remember we were playing schools and this child stood up to speak in her 'school assembly' about this.
The thread is reported and sorry if I upset the Catholics. This was not my intention.

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ILoveAFullFridge · 02/11/2013 14:20

I want my dc to learn about the world we live in, not some bizarre world where other ways of living are ignored. That's why they go to an ordinary school, weekdays, and learn in detail about their specific religion at Sunday school and at home.

I made no assumption about the Catholic school. As I said: "Not something I would expect in today's pluralist society and at a state school, though".

I, too, think the Catholic girl's behaviour relates more to her home environment, reinforced by the Catholic practices of her school. Not all schools are alike in their attitudes and their interpretations of rules and guidelines.

SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 14:30

Well
Don't the Catholic schools reinforce the catholic faith at some extent?
Otherwise, what is the point?

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InkleWinkle · 02/11/2013 14:41

You know that the Catholic faith is Christianity don't you?

SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 14:42

Are you talking to me ?
Of course I do!
Did you know Christianity is much wider than Catholicism?

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InkleWinkle · 02/11/2013 14:47

Yes I do.

But you said in your OP that you are Christian and then said you couldn't pray or sing the Catholic child any songs.

SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 14:50

I said I couldn't do it the exactly way her parents DO, whatever she means by that.

Anyway, I was doing the parents a big favour, as I am not keen on sleeping overs however I understand it is needed sometimes and I a guilty to ask friends to accept my child overnight too. But I think that if she has such a strict bed time routine, she shouldn't be sleeping over anyway.

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QuintesKabooom · 02/11/2013 14:50

"The thread is not racist or a joke."

Well, I get it is not a joke, what I dont get is the point.

You are slagging off a little girl and the way she is brought up. Does her parents know that you pity her? They trust you with their child for sleep overs and play dates, and you, despite being Christian cant find it within you to say a little prayer with her and sing a song?

Surely, being from a South American country, this is not your first encounter with Catholics?

I am also quite amazed that your child has found three children, in different schools to be friends with. That is actually quite awesome.

SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 15:02

Oh she knows lots of other children from other schools but in this OP I am talking about only 2. And I am happy I have friends outside the school gate, that is awesome.

Also the point of the thread is:
Again:
I was really surprised that such young children are so aware of religion but maybe it is because my daughter is not as much aware as them, hence she did a comedy piece instead of a religious piece.
My daughter attends my religious group with me and also goes to a Christian after school club by the way.
I was mesmerised by the difference between those children and my child.

I am not slagging off anyone, but yes I pity the girl a little bit, specially when she felt embarrassed listening what the MusliM girl had to say.

Her parents are my friends (both of them) and they don't obviously know that I am pitting her. I respect them and their way of life, I don't even agree or disagree, it is none of my business.

But I am not going to have this child over to sleep again (last time was last year) if she feels so uncomfortable not following her own routine and TBH I would't like religious matters on playdates in my house anyway.

I am glad the MusliM girl responded appropriately and stood up for herself otherwise she would have felt inferior and left out being the only non christian in the house.

I haven't talked about it to any of the parents and I am sure none of them are here on MN.

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SweetSkull · 02/11/2013 15:04

hahahaha
I did my best to say the prayers and the songs she required, but I am not her parents and I didn't do they way they DO. And I am not sure what it means...
Could be I don't have the same voice or my singing is horrible?
Honestly...

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