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Ok, how is praying for people supposed to work then?

40 replies

Aloha · 05/02/2006 22:57

I put this on another thread. People believe praying for others works.
So God has before him two very sick babies. One is prayed for, one is not. So God chooses to save the prayed for one, and lets the other one die? What kind of God would do that?

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Dinosaur · 06/02/2006 12:06

Not dissing your faith or anything, naturally

JoolsToo · 06/02/2006 13:19

doesn't this just show how well integrated these immigrants are? talking about beheadings? in England?

Is it our fault they're not integrated, or do some people migrate to England with no intention of integrating?

JoolsToo · 06/02/2006 13:34

oops wrong thread

Rhubarb · 06/02/2006 13:36

PMSL @ JoolsToo!

poppiesinaline · 06/02/2006 16:14

LOL thought I had missed something there!

Cristina7 · 06/02/2006 16:26

Here's a study carried out to determine whether remote, RETROACTIVE intercessory prayer, said for a group of patients with a bloodstream infection, has an effect on outcomes: www.bmj.com search for Leibovici BMJ Dec 2001

Barmy.

generaldogsbody1 · 21/02/2006 16:47

i truely beleive in the power of prayer, although i have no spesific (sp) religious beliefs my self.

my brother was assaulted on his 21st birthday, as a result he was left with significant brain injuries. we were told by drs that there was no chance of any recovery. to cut a long story short, the word went out, and prayers were said from the african missions, to nearly every catholic church in between. (my family have a lot of religious connections to all faiths) people simply prayed for his recovery.

my brother, although no where near back to "normal" is a walking talking miracle, someone has a purpose for him. i for one am for ever greatful to the people who spared a thought, prayer, whatever for my brother and our family.

Verytiredmum · 21/02/2006 20:45

I once read/heard somewhere that prayer isn't about trying to persuade God to do something that he doesn't want to do. It's about God letting us join him in doing his work, and having a hand in helping people through our prayers.

I know that I always feel a bit more useful when I can pray. And I also get the feeling sometimes that when prayers don't work out as I want, it doesn't mean that he ain't listening. It might mean that I am asking the wrong question.

Eggie · 21/02/2006 21:05

My midwife who is very religious asked me if she could tell my situation to the church and have the church to say prayers for me. I agreed.From that moment on things began to turn around for me. Which ever way you look at it i was comforted but this and will always be grateful to her.

DominiConnor · 21/02/2006 23:11

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Verytiredmum · 22/02/2006 12:46

Good point DC. However, we are told in the Bible to pray and told to be persistent in prayer, like a "nagging woman" too, so it's obviously important. Jesus ticked the disciples off for not praying enough when they failed to help the boy with the possessing spirit too. He prayed a lot, so he obviously thought that it mattered.

God does have free will, but he has also limited what he will do in terms of intervening in events (Thank Goodness! I could have been a candidate for a thunderbolt long ago!)

CarolinaMoon · 22/02/2006 13:24

I can see if you're a believer then prayer is your communication channel with God, but this shopping list malarkey of please do this for my mate, please give me a nice job, nice car (my BIL's sister asked people to pray she'd get a decent car and she's a vicar ), or whatever is barmy imho.

I was brought up a Catholic but I'm now an atheist and it's in times of trouble when I can't do anything to help (e.g. when my dad was in hospital with pneumonia) that I remember what it feels like to need to pray. I think it's a basic human urge to try and call on someone to help when things go wrong.

Verytiredmum · 23/02/2006 14:15

I used to feel exactly as you do, CarolinaMoon. I used to be a church goer, but not a committed Christian, and when I first met a group of friends who prayed for everything, I clearly remember thinking they were all quite mad! However, things have changed for me. I found that belonging to a group for whom prayer is important can be a brilliant support. It brings you close together as a group, causes you to think more about each other and often to take practical steps to help too. In the meantime, I came to believe in a God who wants to be a ?daddy? to us and who cares about every aspect of our lives that we want to take to him. It?s not for everyone, of course. Some people prefer a more formal relationship with God, just as they may prefer a more formal relationship with their parents. Or a more silent, contemplative one. I like to think that God is big enough to cope with us however we are. But for me, regular prayer brings me closer to my father-God and it?s great to know that He wants to be involved in all aspects of my life.

cori · 23/02/2006 14:32

I agree with Rhubabrb, i dont think god really has the power to interverene in day to day life of human beings. Maybe GOD is not as big as religons want to make him out to be. I believe in a greater power, but not nesscarily a higher one. I think the only thing we can tuly pray for is strength to cope with the traumatic life events.

duvet · 01/03/2006 10:04

All of us have had experiences when it didn't look like our prayers were answered. But is that really what happened? The Bible says in Matthew 7:7, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." Is that true? Well, many people say it couldn't mean what it appears to say, because they can cite experiences where they asked for something and didn't receive. But you've got to make the decision stated in Romans 3:4, to "Let God be true, but every man [or in this case, every circumstance] a liar." God's Word is true, not our experiences.

This is one of the reasons so much doctrinal division has come about. The Word is clear in its doctrine, but when someone tries the Word and doesn't see the promised results, rather than admit that they could have failed, they say something like, "That must have passed away with the apostles" or "It must not have been God's will," etc. God is not the one who failed to answer, but rather we are the ones who have failed to receive.

What actually happens when we ask in prayer is that God moves immediately and gives us the answer in our spirits. We are responsible for believing that, and acting accordingly to bring the answer into the physical world. God is a spirit (John 4:24), and He always supplies our answer to our spirit man. Through faith, we then give physical substance (Heb. 11:1) to what God has done.

We are like a spiritual transformer. Spiritual power has to be converted to physical power just as radio signals have to be converted into frequencies audible to our physical ear. You don't hear the actual signal broadcast by the radio station, but rather a signal that has been picked up by a receiver and translated into an audible sound. For a person to say that there aren't any radio signals where they are, just because they cannot hear them, is not true. They are there, but they are on a higher frequency than the human ear can hear. They have to be "demodulated" into a lower frequency which we can hear.

This is the way our answers to prayer come. God moves in the spirit world and gives us our answer by faith, and we convert it into a physical reality through our actions. That is not to say that we are the one who produced the answer by our own power. It is God who works the miracles, but they do come through us. Without Him, we can do nothing, but He has made us joint heirs together with Christ so that He does nothing without us. Ephesians 3:20 says, "Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, ACCORDING TO THE POWER THAT WORKETH IN US" (emphasis mine). We have a part to play in receiving from God. Ignorance of this has been our greatest problem.

Now you can understand much more clearly what Mark 11:24 means, "What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." You receive in your spirit by faith immediately, and it shall come to pass in the physical later. It may be one minute, one day, or one year, but you cannot waiver in your belief that God has already answered your prayer. The time that it takes for God's answer to be manifest in the physical is dependent upon many things, but it is not God who determines that. God answers immediately. Remember, it says you must believe that you receive WHEN YOU PRAY. God isn't asking you to believe something that isn't true. You do receive instantly in your spirit, then it is manifest in the physical later.

An example of this is in Daniel 9 and 10. In chapter 9, Daniel prayed a prayer, and while he was still praying, his answer to prayer came in the form of Gabriel giving him "skill and understanding" in the thing he desired. That's a quick answer to prayer, but in verse 23, Gabriel says that God had sent him forth at the beginning of his prayer. God moved instantly, but it took about 3 minutes for the answer to appear in the physical realm. In Daniel chapter 10, he prayed another prayer, and his answer took three full weeks to manifest. What a difference!

Most people would say, "I wonder why God answered that first prayer in three minutes, and the second prayer took three weeks. But in Daniel 10:12, we find that God answered the second prayer instantly too. Praise God! The Lord was not the variable. In this case, it was a demonic force, "the prince of the kingdom of Persia," that had hindered the answer to Daniel's prayer.

Whether it be Satan or people's wills or unbelief or any of a number of other possible hindrances, it's important that you know that it's not God who seems so unpredictable (Ps. 102:27, Mal. 3:6). In fact, this is a fundamental truth that you must be established in before you can even begin to do anything about speeding up the answer to your prayer. If you have prayed a prayer in line with God's Word, God answers it immediately (1 John 5:14-15; Dan. 9, 10). If you understand that, then you are ready to begin releasing your faith over bringing that answer into complete manifestation.
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