A woman in a burka just stuck two fingers up at me, thats not right is it???

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Just driving past a school that lets out slightly earlier than the one I was trying to get to to pick up ds, obviously there was a lot of traffic and people trying to get out of side roads etc. I let one car out of the road on the left, but not the next one as I did want to make some progress and get to school on time, and the burka wearing driver stuck two fingers up at me cos I didnt let her out!!
I was shocked tbh, what does anyone else think?

Id be too scared someone would get out their car, turn out to be 8 foot tall and pummel me. I tend to swear instead

I did mention religious clothing because I thought it showed hypocracy, whether its correct or not I think we expect people dressed in this way to have higher morals?

However, and this is possibly going to cause arguments, I think there is an increasing tendancy for young women to start wearing the niqaab as a statement...a metaphorical two fingers to society if you like....to set them apart, prevent them from having to participate fully with society and possibly to antagonise people.....discuss!!

I don't agree with you that it is hypocrisy, as this woman obv has strong feelings about the idea of free mixing in soceity/modest dresscodes hence her decision to wear a niqaab. Quite exactly what her feelings about it, we don't know as (multiple) previous discussions have shown that muslim women who do choose to wear it do so for many different personal reasons.

Swearing at you was wrong from a religious POV (imo, and I'm no Ayatollah btw!) as Muslims are supposed to show a positive example of Islam at all times, to 'represent' the religion's rules through a good character and by being a helpful/trustworthy/compassionate. So she shouldn't have flipped, but thats kind of obvious isnt it? Nobody should loose their temper but still we frequently do, and as far as I am aware it isn't classed as a major sin just terribly bad manners.

I think you're being a bit unfair to expect people not to get angry and express it just because of their religion. Any time we have a debate on here about the pros and cons of organised religion, the atheists are very quick to point out that morality and general "niceness" are not a result of religion, but are part of being a decent person in a civilised society, and that religious people don't have any more claim to them than anyone else.

So I don't think it's hypocrisy, just normal human weakness.

About the only effect that religion would have is to make her feel guilty about the fact that she'd given in to her (natural human) irritation and frustration. It doesn't actually give you any extra strength to counter those feelings, or any superhuman calm to rise above them.

'I think there is an increasing tendancy for young women to start wearing the niqaab as a statement...a metaphorical two fingers to society if you like....to set them apart, prevent them from having to participate fully with society and possibly to antagonise people.....discuss!!'

so? Like punks, goths who wear clothes as a statement and a distancing. I was a punk once and i think more people moved away from me on the bus than they do when I now wear niqab. I had spiky chains n leather n all sorts

It was probably a ninja. I'd say you had a lucky escape

hehehehe

It's not acceptable to get cross if you don't get let out, which I am sure is really the most important issue coming out of this thread

I let one person out (unless they are pushing aggressively anyway, or driving a 4x4, or both) and then move on, otherwise you'd be there all day. Then the next person can let the next one out, if they want.

I'd be very annoyed if Car #2 got tetchy because I didn't let them out!

What has religion got to do with someone being abusive?

the moral is swc, dont let country drivers overtake

If she wasn't wearing a niqab would you have even bothered to post it on the internet? I don't think so.

Of course I wouldnt have posted it on the internet if she wasnt wearing a niqab!

By wearing this kind of dress she is making a statement, she is letting us know her religion, her moral code, her beliefs etc etc...and then she is completely undermining them by doing something so rude and pathetic.

that was the point of the post

Similar to someone wearing a vicar's collar flipping you the bird, it contradicts the (positive!) expectations you had of their behaviour.

even religious people are only human, they can only strive to be better or follow their rules as best they can or by what their conscience allows- doesn't mean they follow it 100% all the time. It's like the way folk love to get all tutty about catholics and contraception, abortion, losing virginity before marriage - calling them hypocrits etc.

So a religious person stuck their fingers up at OP and OP was let down..be satisfied knowing that her 'God' will deal will her or just move on.

No she shouldn't. If you veil yourself it is the last step, your religion starts on the inside (faith in your heart etc) and is demonstrated by what you are wearing on the outside. You are setting yourself out as someone who observes all the obligations of Islam by wearing it. People are weak and so on but really no excuse for being a poor example. Swearing is not on and deffo not modest!

I would be shocked at anyone giving me the finger to be honest as it's not something I encounter. I'd be doubly shocked if it was someone wearing a niquab, equally if it was a nun wearing a habit, and i know it's not a direct comparison as a nun belongs to a religious order and a person wearing a niquab is observing a deeply religious code, but nevertheless they are both, imo, representing a more devote way of life, which doesn't include giving crude gestures to other people.