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Blood transfusions and jehovas witnesses

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mykidsmum · 22/09/2005 22:56

Have had a long and indepth dicussion with a friend of mine tonight who unknown to me has spent the last two years studying the Bible and having a couple who are Jehovas witnesses visit every week. He and his wife who is also a good friend of mine have decided this is the path that they want to follow. We discussed many aspects of religion, and as he has read the Bible from cover to cover he feels rightly or wrongly that ihis faith cannot be questioned. I like to question everything, not to cause an arguement, we did not row, but because i like to see others view points and try and understand where they are coming from. However i just cannot get my head round the fact that if he needed a blood transfusion tomorrow he wouldn't have one, and that i am in some way sinning because i have had one during childbirth. he also said he would find it very hard to make a decision if his children needed a transfusion and would therefore let his wife make it as he wouldn't want blood on his hands??? Now i do not want to denounce any type of religion but i really just can't get this and am finding it hard to see things from his POV. Please can someone explain this who knows more than i do, and do i have the right to be concerned. I feel that he is very blinded by his new faith but am also amazed at his hypocrisy, ie he won't be baptised yet as he can't give up smoking.AArrgghh am quite confused, i care about my friends deeply but know nothing i say can make a difference and what right do I have anyway

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flamesparrow · 23/09/2005 10:04

Now I'm intrigued.... why can't you go clubbing?

I remember being very hurt by a JW I worked with who wouldn't come to my leaving do because it was joint with the Christmas one She had been a good work friend and it hurt that it couldn't just be my leaving do to her (I wasn't celebrating Christmas there).

Everyone always looked horrified at me at work because I asked really blunt questions about her faith.... I was intrigued (still am), and wanted to learn

sparklymieow · 23/09/2005 10:05

Its seen as worldly, people getting drunk, snogging strangers, one night stands etc.

flamesparrow · 23/09/2005 10:07

Hmm... she wasn't against doing any of those things if I recall!!!!

I was amazed that Xmas party is a no-no, but sex before marriage was ok!

sparklymieow · 23/09/2005 10:09

sex before marriage is not ok in the JW's eyes, at all!!!! My parents freaked because me and DH moved in together before we were marry, They brought me carpet but wouldn't help towards a double bed

flamesparrow · 23/09/2005 10:15

I got the feeling that she was a bit hit and miss in how devout she was! One of these people who comes across as all lovely and everyone's friend, but bitchy behind your back. I always felt that she came across as being very devout, but that it was a bit of an act for when it suited her!

It was the sex before marriage that rang the biggest alarm bells... also being on the pill, which seemed an odd thing, but that might be ok?

ScummyMummy · 23/09/2005 10:17

Did you never celebrate your birthdays then, sparkly and RnB? A little boy in my sons' class was unable to come to my boys' last party because of being a JW and not celebrating birthdays. I felt desperately sad for him because all the other kids make such a big deal of their birthday and so does the school- kids are always called up in assembly for a card etc. I must admit I find it very very difficult to understand the only aspects of JWness that I know of which are the no birthdays and no blood transfusions things. Both are a total anathema to me. Guess I need to read your book too, Rhuby.

Rhubarb · 23/09/2005 13:47

The Witnesses are a lovely people, but I found that they would sometimes be "too" friendly, if you see what I mean? They asked if we needed anything doing to the house, could they help with the garden? Would I like them to look after dd whilst I took a bath or had a nap (I was pregnant). So you felt almost indebted to them and felt guilty if you didn't see eye-to-eye with them.

I also found it spooky that they thought they knew the absolute truth about everything. I am a Catholic but have not met any other Catholics or anyone of any other religion who would not admit to having a few doubts and a few unanswered questions, to the JW's, there were no unanswered questions.

I could see where they were coming from, but felt them too consuming, too strict and, dare I say it, Stepford? There seemed to be no individuality, no speaking your own mind or forming your own opinions, everything was done through the Church and everyone came to the same conclusions.

I have no doubt that if you choose to live your life as a JW then it is a good life you have chosen, and a very brave one as it goes against what society perceives as normal and you have to fight against prejudices. I just don't think that any one religion can claim to have all the answers and think that they alone will be saved. No matter how good you are as a person, unless you are a JW you will not inherit the earth. I find that rather judgemental, and God did say never to judge!

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 13:48

What an excellent post, Rhubarb.

Mojomummy · 23/09/2005 14:20

I think if everyone one in the world was a JW the world would be a better place.

Gay priests/archbishops/heads of religion, memebers of the Church abusing small children ? no thanks.

Yes maybe there are no unanswered questions for them & maybe that's why they've chosen their religon.

For those interested in the blood aspect, life can be saved with a substitute blood - I think it's called plasma or something similar. And if fact, people that have blood transfusions do tend to take a long time to recover as their . bodies have to deal with something alien in their system. I'm sure someone can put me right on statistic etc

flamebat · 23/09/2005 14:22

So is it only gay priests etc that abuse children?

That will make protecting DD so much easier - just keep her away from dodgy christians.

beansprout · 23/09/2005 14:24

I think if less people were homophobic the world would be a better place. Live and let live?

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 14:24

mojosmummy, plasma is not always suitable for patients needing blood products

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 14:24

lol @ flamebat !

flamebat · 23/09/2005 14:26

Generally everyone accepting that we all have our own individual lives and ideas would make the world better.

(Although we should still probably be anti the ones who's views and ideas are to abuse kids/kill people etc...)

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 14:26

probably best

ScummyMummy · 23/09/2005 14:31

Plasma is a component of blood, mojo. It's the liquid bit all the cells are suspended in. Do JWs not mind blood as long as it's not whole or something?

flamebat · 23/09/2005 14:33

Now picturing various stages of blood skimming, and getting red tops or green tops!

Mojomummy · 23/09/2005 14:34

Yes realise plasma isn't a cure, but could be utilised more & could potentially save a JW's life who refused blood.

Did I say ONLY heads of religion etc abuse children ? Does it say in the bible to abuse ? no, so why have they done it ?

So ok to accept peoples belief only if they are the same as ours ?

How do you think accepting homosexuality will make the world a better place ?

Mojomummy · 23/09/2005 14:36

Thanks for the link ref plasma, looks like I've got the name mixed up with something similar.

It's a synthetic product with no blood products...maybe a saline...let me have a think..

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 14:36

Re the homosexuality thing... It would mean that there is less hate crime in the world. Same is if racist attitudes were abolished.

Mojomummy · 23/09/2005 14:37

www.womensheartfoundation.org/content/HeartSurgery/bloodless_care.asp

Sorry, couldn't get the link right

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 14:37

People would be able to get on with their private (and fully legal consenting) bedroom business without certain sectors of society attcking them for their sexual preference

NomDePlume · 23/09/2005 14:38

(this is turning into a 'parp' subject...)

flamebat · 23/09/2005 14:39

With NDP.

With accepting people's beliefs - As long as the beliefs don't hurt others, and you don't force what you believe on other people, then you can believe what you want as far as I'm concerned. You clearly believe that homosexuality is wrong, and as long as no-one is hurt by that (mentally as well as physically), then go for it.

Mojomummy · 23/09/2005 14:41

so no financial fraud if we accept gays ? no Enron situations ?

No burglarlies ? no robberies ? no pedeaphiles ?