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Church, music, and welling up with tears.

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Lexilicious · 18/08/2010 22:27

Hi,

I started going to church again recently. I was brought up very regular church-going Episcopal in Scotland, was in the choir, the drama group, the summer retreat etc. I believe in God, appreciate the Gospels and the acts throughout the NT show a model to live by, conscious you've got to look at it through the lens of history and cultural norms of 1st c AD Judaea... not sure about heaven... all very standard CofE. I like hymns, and I love anthems like Gibbons, Parry and all that - used to sing in that sort of choir.

Local church is a modern building, modern rules. Has about 5/6 songs per service. Sermon (only been twice) doesn't have much depth. Nice people, and I feel it's important to belong to your parish. I don't like the music. I really get quite irritated at all the 'My Lord, My King' type of stuff. It's not how I see Jesus/God at all, precisely the opposite. It's so trite and (to me) meaningless. I quite liked the Mission Praise stuff that came in in the 80s - Make Me a Channel of Your Peace, for example - that has a concept to it, it's figurative, doesn't have you singing assertions you don't necessarily mean.

Anyway, what's my point. My point is that even though I really don't like this music, I can't get two lines into anything without welling up. I seem have a deep emotional response to the group speaking bits (Creed for example) and singing in church and it's getting embarrassing. I certainly couldn't do the thing at the end of the service where they dance a circuit around the church with percussion instruments to some jolly tune with about three lines repeated ad nauseam, I'd be in tears.

Is this weird? I sometimes think it's not a spiritual reaction at all, that maybe it's something medical to do with breathing control.

I'm not expecting a response to this really, I'm off to bed. It's quite nice to write down my thoughts though, and put them 'out there'.

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nickelbabe · 10/09/2010 13:06

oooh! Toc - i don't know what you think of this idea, but!
Our churchwarden hates Wir Pflugen as the tuen for We plough the fields and scatter, so this harvest, we're doing it to Thaxted (my idea!).
I'm hoping to start a trend.
Do you wnt a copy of the sheet I made?
Grin

MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 13:11

you know I think that ANYTHING is better than Wir Pflugen for ploughing and scattering - dire hymn Grin

hmmmm Thaxted - that's ermm..........different

Though not as different as a GHASTLY version of While Shepherds Watched that someone picked 2 years ago.............to the tune of on Ilkley moor baa tat ~(sp)!! Was AWFUL.

MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 13:13

actually I think the "draggiest" hymn I can think of is "lift high the cross"

Great hymn, great tune.......but HOW many verses - takes about 10 minutes to sing it even played at a brisk pace

oops sorry OP have hijacked your thread Blush

nickelbabe · 10/09/2010 13:18

i think it was me that hi-jakced first. Blush

Thaxted is different, but it does work! It makes a horrid dirge sound really anthemic! give it a go! Grin

oh, yes, Lift High the Cross - after 3 verses i want to drop the cross heavily on someone's foot!

the worst one we had recently was "A New Commandment" - it fitted the reading theme perfectly, but we use Anglican Hymns Old & New (for some inexplicible reason as it's DREADFUL!!) and it's got 4 verses in it! I'm sure in Songs of Fellowship it only had 1!
and all the words are repeatitive too, not just the tune.. :(

MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 13:22

AHON - is that the orange one? It's DREADFUL isn't it - sadly new hymn books (those) were purchased the year before I arrived at the church otherwise I would have stood on top of the church tower (I'm scare of heights) and screamed loudly until they agreed to buy something better.

I'd rather have Songs and Hymns of Fellowship 4 (I think it's that one?) than this one - at leas SHF don't mess around with words and harmonies.

We foolishly picked Lift high for Easter this year. Usually we double check the number of verses to make sure we're not choosing inexplicably long ones. This time we didn't and though "oh yes that would be nice">

Opened the books on the Sunday morning looked at each other down/up the church and nearly fainted haha.

I may have to do Thaxted to that one this year..we haven't done the Harvest hymns yet

nickelbabe · 10/09/2010 13:34

yep, orange one.

before i joined (so about 10 years ago) they had to decide whether they would get that one or New English Hymnal.
they decided on HO&N because it had more ofthe modern stuff in ( they didn't want to have to have two sets of books)(and it was the priest-in-charge that pushed for it)
i would have preferred songs of fellowship over that. (but when it was only 1000-odd songs, not now it's 7million)
that's the main problem with the orange one - why does it have to change all the words and stuff??? especially the harmonies! and then people complain that noone knows hymns anymore - that's because they're automatically singing the ones they knew as children and you've changed the words!!

We normally choose how many verses (that was the great thing about Ancient and Modern - it had the short version in one part and then a processional version in a nother part! and stars for hymns that could be too long so you can miss verses out), but we can always guarantee that the priest will forget to annouce, and we all have to shout from the Quire "verses 1,2 and 4!" etc!

and Grin at your three-hour long Easter service Grin

MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 13:38

dreadful book - one day I am going to push for new books.............problem is the cost

weegiemum · 10/09/2010 13:44

My least fave is "Christ Triumphant, ever reigning" only because the only place I ever sing it is in MIL's church and her standing beside me incredibly untunefully warbling "Your the glory and the crown, the high renown" sets my musical teeth on age!

MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 13:47

aahh - but which tune weegie??

The tune in Mission Praise is the one I grew up in the Methodist church - and that's quite good.

The one in the orange book we've got is some dreadful dirge of a tune which they insist of using when we have it..............so I make sure we never do Blush

weegiemum · 10/09/2010 13:49

The tune is OK.

Its just MILs voice sets my teeth on age.

High squeaky singing from someone who can't (but thinks she can) in a cutting-edge Belfast accent .......

Owwwch!

MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 13:49

sung to \link{\this tune} is good.

to \link{\this one} it's dire.

nickelbabe · 10/09/2010 13:57

blimey! the second tune is the proper tune that I know, but i've never heard it sound so miserable before! whenever we've sung it is sounds a lot more rousing and amazing than that!!! Shock

nickelbabe · 10/09/2010 13:59
MaMoTTaT · 10/09/2010 14:08

that's the "proper" one from Mission Praise (played a bit dodgily) that I know.

Much better than the "proper" one that you know Grin

nickelbabe · 10/09/2010 14:22

i see.
the link you put on, i couldn't work out the tune.

Grin you can't slag off my taste in music! Shock Grin
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