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FOR JAMES BULGER- Stop Thompson and Venables cashing in on phone hacking

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HannahLou06 · 13/03/2013 20:09

To all mums.........t.co/V206Ret4rp DON'T let this happen! as Denise said this is BLOOD MONEY!! t.co/QhxwniS8Yv PLEASE SIGN & Share with as many people as possible to stop them claiming thousands of pounds. Lets show James Bulger we will never forget. This petition needs 100,000 signatures by may 4th 2013 before it can be discussed in Parliament.

Please help to get some Justice for little James

Hannah

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wannaBe · 15/03/2013 00:50

of course society failed James bulger - as stated above.

Society also failed those two children - growing up in abusive homes, one of which at least was known to SS because the older brother had attempted suicide in order to be able to be taken into care. Let's not pretend that it is children with a normal upbringing who wake up one morning and decide to go out and murder a toddler with no previous siigns of any kind of issues. There will have been signs and yet who spotted them? no-one.

wannaBe · 15/03/2013 00:52

hb yes it is - very.

We have far more prolific murderers in our society and yet who is calling for their lynching?

MechanicalTheatre · 15/03/2013 00:57

I don't know if anyone read the case about the little girl who was murdered in Norway, also by two children. The James Bulger murder and that case have a lot of differences but also a lot of similarities - yet the children were treated with compassion, weren't prosecuted etc. Just a completely different set-up to what we have here.

And I don't see that Norway is suddenly full of marauding murderers.

wannaBe · 15/03/2013 01:00

I vaguely remember it (would need too recall the details) but yes, entirely different and children treated completely differently in Europe - in fact afaik Britain has one of the lowest ages of criminal responsibility...

hellsbells76 · 15/03/2013 01:01

Yes I remember reading about that. They seem a lot more enlightened and civilised in Scandinavia (witness public reaction to Anders Brevjik trial: they gathered outside the courtroom and sang the song he hated. No banging on prison vans there.)

hellsbells76 · 15/03/2013 01:09

Blake Morrison has written a lot about the Bulger case: this is quite old now but very thoughtful and worth a read.

NorthernLurker · 15/03/2013 08:01

The police established who had commited the crime and bought them to court. Due process was established and the convicted were deprived of their liberty until such point that their release was thought appropriate, bearing in mind the need for society to be protected, NOT avenged. So yes I do think the way Thompson and Venables was treated was just. I think human rights belong to all who are human. Not just some of those. If a person is able to be released from prison then they should be afforded a fresh start. That includes not having their phone hacked or their privacy invaded by baying idiots.

Saychelles · 15/03/2013 08:17

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Pagwatch · 15/03/2013 08:25

Yes, I agree with Northern
However unpalatable it may be human rights apply to everyone, not everyone we like.

I also slightly object to being lectured by someone whose argument seems to be 'if you disagree with me then you either don't understand or don't care.

Delivering your message with the air of a sulky and sarcastic teenager is as rude and as immature as being deliberately pedantic.

And fwiw mumsnet is just anyone who posts here. So you, Seychelles, are as much a 'mum who doesn't give a fuck...' as I am. There is no ollection view. It's a discussion board

Ratchet the foot stamping down a notch and you might get a discussion.

Pagwatch · 15/03/2013 08:26

Ah.. You are going. excellent teenage response.
Don't slam the door and tidy your room missy

ThePavlovianCat · 15/03/2013 09:51

You are not entitled to your opinion - an excellent article about why you shouldn't just come on here and say "I think x" and then get narky if you can't then back it up with reasoned argument.

Saychelles · 15/03/2013 13:12

Look on reflection I can see how I've come across & that wasn't my intention, it is a very emotive subject to me & clearly to many others. I have not & never will advocate revenge/violence/vigilantism/lynching or anything else that's been suggested. My argument was down to the rights of victims & the rights of perpetrators, which at times can be a fine one, however unfair it may seem.

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 15/03/2013 13:27

Nope, I wont be signing, they were 10 years old, totally failed by society. If their phones have been hacked they deserve compensation just like everyone else.

Jayphine2013 · 15/03/2013 13:35

Guys your lack of empathy with this as presumably you are mothers is quite saddening. What differs in this case (to that of other pyscopaths) is yes they started a bit younger than Brady and Hindley and also they got to walk free after just 8 short years. James Bulger's mother has had to watch as her baby boys murderer parades around without a care in the world (yes she has seen him in the flesh) whilst she lives in utter torment. BOTH killers to my knowledge are back in prison (Venables definately) and this was for possesing pornagraphic images of children as young as 2. If you read 'My James' by Ralph Bulger you will realise that there was a sexual element to James' murder. I'm not calling for them to face the noose, but i do believe they are dangerous to society. Also, in relation to the Norway murder with similarities; the circumstances were also very different. The two 6 year old boys (not 10) knew they had done wrong and shown genuine remorse. This was childhood play that got out of hand- not premeditated murder. The police were horrified by the lack of humanity in James' killers who laughed and 'smirked' when they talked about what they had done.

Anyway i could go on all day- with regards to the petition, James mum is fronting this campaign not just a bunch of people who want 'notoriety'. This is not a claim for a bus accident or tripping up a kerb. Why do you think their phones were hacked? Because they are talented members of society?? NO. It's because they brutally murdered her baby son. They are not famous for anything else. Hence this is a direct result of the crime they committed. Phone hacking is wrong and it is illegal- the petition states that it should go to charity rather than the criminal therefore the NOTW or the 'rag' will still pay for the crime they committed.

BeerTricksPotter · 15/03/2013 13:40

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Jayphine2013 · 15/03/2013 13:57

BeerTricksPotter yes NOTW committed a crime and they should pay; and yes it would be great if the money could go to charity. I'm just not a believer that criminals only notorious for their horrific crimes should be in receipt of such compensation.

Denise will probably never find peace with this and as parents i think we can understand why...although we will never (hopefully) know the true extent of such grief. I do believe if it happened to one of your children you would feel exactly the same way- this is just another slap in the face for VICTIMS who have already suffered so much.

In saying that you are right the law is the law; i can only hope that a stand would be made by the government as this could affect any one of us at any time and justice may let us down badly.

Thankyou for your compassionate reply and i respect your right not to sign. Not trying to convince just sharing a different side to the petition

NotTreadingGrapes · 15/03/2013 14:04

Of course Denise is fronting the campaign. Any one of us in her position would probably do the same.

And that is precisely why we shouldn't be signing it.

The poor woman will never be in her right mind again. None of us would. It is very easy for us all to say that justice has been done but it would take a bigger and better person than me not to want to personally tear every shred of flesh from their bones.

Thankfully Denise Bulger (sorry, I can't remember her surname now she has remarried) is not the one who gets to decide and nor should she be.

It's just a bloody awful thing all round.

RooneyMara · 15/03/2013 14:05

They were kids when they did it. Fucked up little kids.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/03/2013 14:15

No, I won't sign this petition. These men were children when they did what they did. They were tried in an adult court, served time and were released when they were judged by professionals to no longer be a threat to society. The one who turn out to be a threat has been put back in prison, as is fair.

The UK prison system is about punishment but it is also about rehabilitation, particularly where children are concerned. There is no way that a decision to release the two boys was taken lightly.

If they were victims of phone hacking, which was illegal, then they have a right to compensation, as does anyone else.

They have a right to anonymity as the press would out them and society can not be trusted to take what they see as justice into their own hands. The crime they committed was horrific, and it is understandable that emotions run high, but we have a justice system in place and for the most part it is fair, though not without flaws.

I can't imagine what Denise Fergus and her ex husband have been through. I can't imagine what their lives must benlike knowing that the people who took away their son are allowed to live relatively normal lives. It must seem very unfair to them. But the boys were caught, tried, and served out their punishment and rehabilitation, and fortunately it is not the victims who get to decide what happens to criminals. Can you imagine what society would be like if that were the case?

Pagwatch · 15/03/2013 14:46

I completely understand the sense of revulsion that someone who committed a terrible crime is eligible to compensation. But you cannot alter the law because in the service of society it throws up results that are unpalatable.

I am finding it difficult not to dismiss as guff any posts which links an acceptance that one cannot piss about with the law because it throws up a result we don't like, with empathy.

I have plenty of empathy. That has nothing to do with this issue. Pretending it does is a cheap shot.

LineRunner · 15/03/2013 15:43

Guys your lack of empathy with this as presumably you are mothers is quite saddening

Another low shot.

hellsbells76 · 15/03/2013 18:15

Yes, as a mother (well, as a human being) I have plenty of empathy for Denise Bulger. I also feel it for those two lost, brutalised, fucked up children who did this awful thing. I look at DS (also 10) and his sweet, eager to please, slightly geeky innocence and I know that something went badly, badly wrong for them.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/03/2013 18:27

It must have gone so wrong for them to have even thought of doing what they did you are right hellsbells the whole story is so sad.

Sunnywithshowers · 15/03/2013 19:09

They were children - 10 years old. But they were tried as adults, which is wrong.

I've always thought that James Bulger was the primary victim, but so were Venables and Thompson.

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