DRAWING - it's pronounced draw-ing, not DRAW *R*ING. Take note, Kevin McCloud!

[MrsMuddle]

I've noticed more and more people putting an extra R in the middle of drawing, including tonight's Grand Designs on More 4.

It's not a draw-ring, FFS - it's a draw-ing.

Rant over.

sitting here trying to say it... can't get my head round it sorry,

this is a feature of estuary english iirc

kevin mccloud is obviously down with the kids

aww bless him for trying eh? that and his inappropriate leather jackets

It's an accent thing, and as such should be excluded from pedantic mutterings.

'Path' doesn't contain a an R either, yet half the country pronounces it as Parth. No other English speaking culture does!

parf, where i'm from

does it really worry you

i like it

and 'tube' pronounced 'choob'

I think you need to take note of dialects and accents

and is tedious

what is tedious beetroot?

mrsmuddle - back away. i tried this a while ago (there's no R in laugh either) and got flamed.

i'm with you though!

I have more trouble with the local freecycle posts which regularly offer a 'chest of draws'. Where I grew up (N Ireland) 'r' sounds are clearly pronounced, but here they often get left out of written words as local dialect doesn't sound like there should be an 'r' at the end of 'drawer'.

It's a funny thing the English language! We can add 'r's in where they should not be for example 'AmeliaR Anne' (Amelia Anne) and leave them off where they should be, for example 'Alexanda' (Alexander).

so aero, as a post-vocalic 'r' pronouncing person, does it irritate you when actors on the archers put it in in the wrong places? i'm thinking of whoever it is that calls emma 'emmurrr'

emphasising r's is associated with rural (or estuary ) accents in England, whereas in the US it is associated with posh accents. So there you go.

judgemental bollox

better than a 'chester draws', which I once witnessed!

it doesn't have to be judgemental beetroot. some of us just like to think of ourselves as interested observers!

but it is just to do with dialect

yes but differences in dialects/ accents can be interesting...

Yes, if you have been raised in leafiest Surrey, it is considered Estuary to pronounce path as Parth.

But if you have been raised in Whitby, you cannot hear the difference between 'par'th-Essex and 'pah'th-Surrey. It sounds the same. We know you think you're right, but when your children do their phonic exercises at school, they do "a a ants up your arm" not "ahhhh for the dentist!"

So actually, I think the lengthening of 'a' in words like path and bath is sheer laziness, and it has become a sign of social standing to do this simply because it is a Southern accent.

and it is interesting but it is not wrong

and it is interesting but it is not wrong

the op is not being impartial tho she is expressing a forthright wrong opinion

true beetroot, and also true zippi.

of course i get round that one by saying that people's attitudes to language are also interesting!

that's why i hang out round here...

Estuary here - hurrary for drorrings, boo to droings

I suspect it is a glottal stop issue.