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'A group of mums IS campaigning...' or 'A group of mums ARE campaigning...'?

38 replies

Spidermama · 12/05/2008 14:08

I think it's 'is' but it sounds wrong.

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CrackerOfNuts · 12/05/2008 14:09

IS does sound wrong. I'd have said it was ARE.

Cappuccino · 12/05/2008 14:09

is

group is the subject, and it is a singular ie it is not 'groups of mums'

JackieNo · 12/05/2008 14:10

Technically it is the group that's campaigning, so 'is' would be correct, but you're right, it does sound wrong.

nickytwotimes · 12/05/2008 14:10

I think it's "is" because it is refering to 1 group. Agree though, it sounds wrong.

MehgaLegs · 12/05/2008 14:10

I think you are right. It's "is" as it refers to the group which is singular but it does sound awkward.

MehgaLegs · 12/05/2008 14:10

LOL - I type slow!

Spidermama · 12/05/2008 14:11

I think you're right capp but it still sounds wrong or pompous.

A bit like saying 'none of them IS' which is correct but sounds wrong. Most people nowadays say none of them are.

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RosaLuxembourg · 12/05/2008 14:11

Is is correct. Collective nouns always take the singular.

dewmeadow · 12/05/2008 14:11

definitely is - same as above.

mrsbabookaloo · 12/05/2008 14:11

Officially it's "is" because the subject - a group - is singular. But no-one would bat an eyelid if you used "are" because the mums are campaigning and they are plural and the word mums is closer to the verb "is/are"

So if you want to be totally correct, use "is" but it's actually something I don't feel that pedantic about: I think both are acceptable.

StealthPolarBear · 12/05/2008 14:12

have always wondered this about "the army"
it would be is, wouldn't it?

mrsbabookaloo · 12/05/2008 14:12

I'm so slow! No-one had replied when I started typing!

Cappuccino · 12/05/2008 14:12

it's not pompous

it's correct

it's a really simple rule

MrsBadger · 12/05/2008 14:13

Mums are campaigning.

One group of mums is campaigning.

Two groups of mums are campaigning.

mrsbabookaloo · 12/05/2008 14:13

Groups like "the army" "the police" etc are supposed to take a singular verb, but I think this is changing.

CocodeBear · 12/05/2008 14:14

is

Spidermama · 12/05/2008 22:36

Yes in footbally now people universally say 'Arsenal are travelling to White Hart Lane' which I think, though strictly speaking incorrect, sounds far better. Noone says 'Arsenal is travelling' do they?

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Shitemum · 12/05/2008 22:38

Group is uncountable therefore it is 'is'.

..and that's my first ever post on Pedants' corner [proud]

AllFallDown · 13/05/2008 13:23

Americans refer to sports teams and pop groups in the singular "Queen is playing at Giants Stadium because the football team is away at Denver."

But in English English it's accepted that sports teams and pop groups are collections of individuals, rather than a single unit, and so the plural form is used.

UnquietDad · 14/05/2008 22:58

Yes, pop/rock groups with singular names being plural - I hadn't consciously thought about that one.

"The Human League ARE releasing a new album"

"Status Quo ARE still going"

RoxyNotFoxy · 16/05/2008 11:42

You should do what makes sense in context. "Arsenal is buying new players" is fine because you are treating Arsenal aa a single unit - a club, an financial entity, a business. But "Arsenal must improve its tackling" sounds ridiculous, because you are clearly talking about individual players. It's players, not clubs that tackle. In that case, "their tackling" would be the right choice, whatever rules of grammar say.

PuppyMonkey · 16/05/2008 11:54

And Mark Radcliffe/Stuart Maconie types on the radio always say stuff like: "Those were The Charlatons" etc...

Regards to OP, always has to be "is" where I work...

UnquietDad · 17/05/2008 00:19

Yes, Mark Radcliffe always says "These are" for bands, I've noticed that.

Tortington · 17/05/2008 00:21

i think its ARE

why isn't it ARE

i dont get it

and dont start with the " oh its a subjunctive of the pronoun verbalite from the latin 'A bene placito' "

also
"and cos it is"

isn't sufficient

Quattrocento · 17/05/2008 00:22

A group ... is