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Why is it BODMAS?

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Dilbertian · 15/02/2024 13:33

Is BODMAS something that was agreed upon or imposed in order to make mathematics uniform, or does it have a mathematical reason why it has to be?

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Dilbertian · 15/02/2024 18:50

WannabeMathematician · 15/02/2024 17:38

It’s a nice convention. But you’re not asking about maths you’re asking about how we write it down. Not quite the same thing!

I'm asking if there is a mathematical reason for the way we right it down.

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WannabeMathematician · 15/02/2024 19:27

No there isn’t.

upinaballoon · 15/02/2024 19:32

RockaLock · 15/02/2024 18:05

When I was at school there was no BIDMAS or BODMAS and we just set things out properly used brackets to make it clear what we were doing.

In fact, that's what we did during my maths degree as well.

I still think it would be much clearer to just use brackets, because 2+(3x4) or (2+3)x4 is clear to everyone what it means, whereas I have to stop and think about what 2+3x4 means.

I definitely knew BODMAS at secondary school but we used the brackets, too.

Now, why did I need to know the BODMAS? :)

Hobbi · 17/02/2024 23:03

It's a convention, but a convention based on mathematical principles. Indices, products and quotients are properties of a number, addition and subtraction refer to movements on the number line.

upinaballoon · 18/02/2024 15:57

Hobbi · 17/02/2024 23:03

It's a convention, but a convention based on mathematical principles. Indices, products and quotients are properties of a number, addition and subtraction refer to movements on the number line.

Yes, but I was wondering what kind of sums I was doing to have got to a point where I needed to know BODMAS. I suppose just complicated arithmetic.

Hobbi · 23/02/2024 15:18

@Dilbertian

Seeing as though we're on Pedant's Corner, 'sums' only refers to addition. In regard to order of operations, you might be looking at accounts that calculate groups of sales or shared payments, which are then subject to a fixed increment, such as a flat tax.

Wholettherabbitsout · 23/02/2024 17:03

It’s just grammar for maths. The reality of whatever it is you want to calculate would still exist even if we used a different order of operations. Random equations with no context don’t illustrate anything in the same way you can make up grammatically correct nonsensical sentences in language.

YourThighness · 23/02/2024 17:09

user1492757084 · 15/02/2024 14:03

I thought it was BOMDAS. I was good at Maths though obviously not.

I was taught BOMDAS in school and DH was taught BODMAS. I've now retrained as an adult and it is indeed BODMAS!

mathanxiety · 23/02/2024 17:33

To add to the confusion, it's PEMDAS in the US.

Yes, the order of operations is the logical way to arrive at the correct answer. It's not random, or merely handy.

mathanxiety · 23/02/2024 17:34

Hobbi · 17/02/2024 23:03

It's a convention, but a convention based on mathematical principles. Indices, products and quotients are properties of a number, addition and subtraction refer to movements on the number line.

This

HiGunny · 23/02/2024 17:36

YourThighness · 23/02/2024 17:09

I was taught BOMDAS in school and DH was taught BODMAS. I've now retrained as an adult and it is indeed BODMAS!

I'm another who was taught BOMDAS not BODMAS in school!

issabel · 23/02/2024 17:41

It was always BIDMAS when I was at school. Then my DC have learned it as BODMAS and I still can't remember what the O stands for even though I look it up every time I come across it. BODMAS will always sound wrong to me.

Dilbertian · 23/02/2024 17:49

I was taught BIDMAS way back in the 1970s. It all means the same thing.

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upinaballoon · 23/02/2024 19:46

When I was taught BODMAS it was brackets, of, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction.

So what is I for in BIDMAS? Has someone said 'indices' earlier in the thread?

Hobbi · 23/02/2024 20:01

upinaballoon · 23/02/2024 19:46

When I was taught BODMAS it was brackets, of, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction.

So what is I for in BIDMAS? Has someone said 'indices' earlier in the thread?

The 'O' is for 'orders', not 'of'. 'I' is for 'indices'. Some teachers use BEDMAS, with the 'E' standing for 'exponents.'

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