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Has anyone done this quiz?

39 replies

PanicMode · 15/04/2013 09:49

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationquestions/9987757/Good-grammar-test-can-you-pass.html

I thought my grammar was fairly solid, but was quite shocked by the result.

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Trills · 15/04/2013 13:08

The point is that properly constructed sentences make sense and don't leave ambiguity about what you mean (except where that is your intention).

Yes. That.

(neither of those were proper sentences, but I think they communicate my agreement in a clear and unambiguous manner :) )

WMittens · 15/04/2013 13:22

From the explanations:

7. ?Come and sit near me.?

"Near" is an preposition governing the pronoun ?me?.

I feel perfectly justified in doubting the integrity of this quiz, and thus my abysmal score is not representative.

somebloke123 · 15/04/2013 14:08

Also in the first question, no one apart from a complete anal retentive would ever say "Do you see whom I see".

Grammar rules are not totally immutable and self consistent. The ultimate test is how they read or how they sound to the ear.

Suzieismyname · 15/04/2013 14:49

Er, this is Pedants' Corner, somebloke!
I disagree with your 'ultimate test'. Most of my inlaws would say, "Have you drawed a nice picture?", or "I haven't broke it.". Just because someone says something in a particular way all the time, it doesn't mean that they are correct!

somebloke123 · 15/04/2013 15:10

Suzie - yes I agree there, but I do think that language is not all logical. For example the phrase "by and large" or the statement "It's early days yet" are both widely accepted correct idioms - and not just regionalisms or slang, and yet when you try to analyse them they don't make sense.

I tend to draw a parallel with music. There are rules of harmony and the default position is to obey them, but the tutored ear is the final judge.

I certainly wouldn't interpret this as an "anything goes" attitude. I do think knowledge of the rules is important, even if you end up breaking them on occasion.

I quite like "Fowler's Modern English Usage" on this issue. His discussion of the split infinitive is particularly good I think.

BOF · 15/04/2013 17:11

I do like that phrase "the tutored ear"...yes, I agree with that.

PanicMode · 15/04/2013 19:19

I too, like the "tutored ear". I think that sums up how grammar should work quite nicely. (Poor sentence construction but am catching up and dashing out of the door.....)

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HorryIsUpduffed · 15/04/2013 19:52

The only one I dropped was the "first(ly)" one. Some of them represent major bugbears.

The Evelyn question was awful. It would have been much more natural without the names:

This is my sister, who lives in New York, my brother who doesn't, and my only other sibling.

The final sibling is both male and an inhabitant of New York.

MirandaGoshawk · 15/04/2013 22:15

75% Yay! guessed some

MirandaGoshawk · 15/04/2013 22:17

Agree with Senua about 'directly'. Unless they think 'directly' has the West Country meaning of 'now' Hmm

duchesse · 18/04/2013 07:54

Miranda- as in: "Be 'long dreckly", often heard around these parts?

Habbibu · 18/04/2013 08:04

Have you read about the guy who set the test? It explains a lot. He's essentially a Latinist who has set himself up as an authority on English grammar, and is much beloved of Michael Gove and Prince Charles.

somebloke123 · 18/04/2013 10:09

Well he does happen to be the best teacher in the world (in the opinion of Himself).

gwynneteaching.com/

prism · 19/04/2013 14:03

Looks like a bit of linguistic willy waving from someone who knows a lot of Latin and probably wishes we still spoke it.

Can't take that sibling question seriously at all. Hmm

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