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It is '. Nothing else.

76 replies

CertainlyToomsRemains · 14/10/2011 19:39

Not

`

or

".

Apostrophes are just '.

Thanks.

Smile

[relaxes jaw]

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nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 10:39

how do yo umake it do the elongated : ?

`¬ can't do it.

mustdash · 20/10/2011 10:43

What does ` mean anyway? I'd never noticed it before now.

SayGhoulNowSayWitch · 20/10/2011 10:48

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Bwahahahahahaha!

AMumInScotland · 20/10/2011 10:51

The ` is the bane of my life - I work in IT and have to import stuff that has come from Word documents into an application which hates them and turns them all into '?'s instead. Then I have to tell the user that it is their responsibility to tidy them up and not mine, and they get sniffy about it.

Psammead · 20/10/2011 11:01

mustdash It's an accent for Frechifying things. Likè zèes for èxamplè.

You type it and the next letter you type gets it over it.

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 11:11

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hahah!! Grin

it's ctrl+alt+`

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 11:12

`e

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 11:12

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nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 11:12

it doesn't.
how do yo umake it do that?

twentyfourhoursaday · 20/10/2011 11:13

My macbook only has '

Thank GOODNESS!

Psammead · 20/10/2011 11:23

Really?

Cool, my computer is magic.

I just type it, although nothing appears on the screen, and then immediately type a vowel and piff paff poof, it's Frencyfied.

MinnieBloodBar · 20/10/2011 11:29

Double quotation marks are for Americans and the Radio Times. They used to be used in the UK but not any more.

If you are quoting someone else quoting, then and only then you can use them, thus:
Psammead said, 'Chaos, me too. Sort of that dismissive "yes dear" stock reply I generally give when DH starts whittering on about turning off lights'.

SayGhoulNowSayWitch · 20/10/2011 12:15

Minnie I did not know that!

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 12:29

Minnie - that's wrong.
The " is a speechmark, not a quotation mark, therefore:

Psammead said, "Chaos, me too. Sort of that dismissive 'yes dear' stock reply I generally give when DH starts whittering on about turning off lights."

is the correct way round in British English.
Us English also has the punctuation marks in the wrong places. Grin

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 12:29

(ps I don't know how Americans use them)

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 12:30

I do feel special now.

I have no idea what you would use ¦ for though.....

maybe a weird sleepy-person smiley.

SayGhoulNowSayWitch · 20/10/2011 12:40

Ah nickelbabe, see that's how I use them atm.

I will continue to do so!

I don't know what you use ¦ for either. Confused

poppyknot · 20/10/2011 12:44

``¬¬¦¦¦

What is this key called? Or can we come up with a name for it? And maybe a finger gesture like the two-index-finger-wiggling for quotation marks.

Bored? Me? No I'm VERY busy.........

MinnieBloodBar · 20/10/2011 13:17

No, no, NO!!!

Pick up any book. Quotation marks are single in the UK. Really.

From the Oxford Guide to Style:

'British practice is normally to enclose quoted matter between single quotation marks, and to use double quotation marks for a quotation within a quotation... The order is often reversed in newspapers, and uniformly in US practice.'

Honestly, I've never got so het up about something on MN before...

MinnieBloodBar · 20/10/2011 13:19

You're all going to find books with double quotation marks in. I don't care. I AM RIGHT!!!!

SayGhoulNowSayWitch · 20/10/2011 13:30

I don't know what to do now!

MinnieBloodBar · 20/10/2011 13:33

I get paid to take out double quotation marks. They'd sack me if I didn't...

nickelbabe · 20/10/2011 13:41

quotations yes, singular, but not speechmarks

difference:
Psammead said, "hello." = speechmarks

the quote inside that text from earlier was 'yes dear'
but if you'd just said, "yes dear," than it would be double ones.

so:
Psammead said, "Chaos, me too. Sort of that dismissive 'yes dear' stock reply I generally give when DH starts whittering on about turning off lights."

but:
'British practice is normally to enclose quoted matter between single quotation marks, and to use double quotation marks for a quotation within a quotation... The order is often reversed in newspapers, and uniformly in US practice.'

because you're quoting what the passage said, you're not saying it.
It's quite hard to explain, isn't it!

eg:
Last year, I saw a website that was selling 'really good stuff'.
Monica said, "there's some really good stuff on this website."

see?

PS: Minnie - it's probably also down to "house style" - your company wants single quotation marks, even when they're speaking, others would want it done the correct way Wink

SayGhoulNowSayWitch · 20/10/2011 13:42

I'm going to talk to my English professor. Whatever she says I'm going to go along with.

MinnieBloodBar · 20/10/2011 13:46

No, for speech marks same rule applies.

Every publisher I've ever worked for uses both single speech marks and quotation marks. Oxford Guide to Style is the bible for such things and they say single for both. In fact they call speech marks quotation marks and don't differentiate.