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Baby breathing, subcostal retractions :(

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dontcomeatme · 16/06/2025 22:27

Need some advice I'm really unsure what to do at this point.
For context, I've had asthma since I was 7weeks old, I'm 32 now and still have it quite severely.
My DS2 was born via section 12 weeks ago. He was big born and I had gestational diabetes. They informed me the risk of the baby having asthma increased if I was diagnosed, plus having a section made it more likely.
When he was born the hole in his heart didn't close for 5 weeks, he was closely monitored and any signs of breathing difficulty were put down to this. The hole is 100% gone now though.
He had a "chest infection" at 6 weeks and was given antibiotics. I doubt it was a chest infection, I think the doctors just seen the retractions and gave me antibiotics to make me go away.
Basically he has been having subcostal retractions since he was born, on and off, almost like flare ups or episodes, along with wheezing, and fatigue. It is always worse when he's been excited or babbling or feeding. For example he loves the bath and kicks his little legs off, but then he struggles and is wheezy, fast breathing and the retractions worsen, then he sleeps for hours.
I have spoke to 2 different GPs and had him at A&E and no one is doing anything. Telling me that "because I had asthma it probably just made him a wheezy kid". The first time I noticed them I rushed him to A&E because that's the advice, I sat for 9 hours in a separate room because he hadn't had vaccinations, just for them to tell me to keep an eye on him and watch for his lips turning blue, then sent me home!!!!
You can't upload a video unfortunately so I've tried to take screenshots of his chest.
What do you all think it could be? Does this seem like asthma ? Anyone else experienced this?
I have a lovely GP I'm going to book him to see, but she's been off work with her sick DC that's why we saw all the others instead.
He is on the 99centile, ebf, happy little thing. We struggled with colic but seem to be coming to the end of that now. I just dont know what to do for him.
Ironically I asked a random doctor tonight what to do if a baby is in respiratory distress with retractions and he said to go straight to A&E 😑

Baby breathing, subcostal retractions :(
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dontcomeatme · 26/07/2025 23:37

Qwickwit · 26/07/2025 22:56

I know you said the hole had definitely closed in his heart but do you still have access/contact to his cardiologists? If so (or even if you don't!) it may be worth contacting their secretary and asking if they would see him again. Does he ever look a slightly funny colour/mottled?

Yes! The last GP I seen said his breathing was "borderline normal rate" and then said something to the other doctor about mottled skin and when I asked she said "well sometimes babies skin can appear mottled but it's fine". I didn't think anything of it at the time?
He was referred to a specialist baby unit for his heart, I would name it but very outing. He was quickly discharged after his scan apparently showed the hole was gone. Could it still be his heart causing the issues?

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dontcomeatme · 26/07/2025 23:38

Spotthering · 26/07/2025 22:51

Sorry OP, I know not the point of your thread but what a cutie!

Thank you ☺️

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Spotthering · 26/07/2025 23:45

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 26/07/2025 23:08

Fair enough. We’ve had the RSVs, Bronchiolitis and viral wheezes etc, but croup is our number 1 nemesis. They get it at least once a month in winter, and occasionally through summer.

Any time DS oxygen dropped to 94 that got us a bed for the night. Any time it dropped below 94 he developed tachycardia too. Fun times. Glad we seem to be out of them (touch wood) for the big one and getting easier with the small one.

Can’t enjoy the seals at work any more as my brain locks straight onto their bark, and my adrenaline kicks in - Pavlov’s cough 😂

For us it’s any respiratory virus and they develop bronchiolitis and / or a wheeze with oxygen levels usually dropping to circa 85-87. It just goes straight to their chest and they struggle to breathe.

My preschooler is much better since he’s been on a brown inhaler but my younger one is too young to be on it. But save for my older one since the brown inhaler, I don’t think they’ve had a single cold where they’ve not ended in hospital. Genuinely lost count at the number of admissions they’ve have had. We had a follow up for my toddler the other day and the doctor wanted to know about all his episodes and admissions and I actually forgot half of them!

I don’t think many parents really understand the stress and anxiety it causes. The second I see a child near them coughing or with a runny nose, my heart drops!

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OldGothsFadeToGrey · 27/07/2025 07:08

Spotthering · 26/07/2025 23:45

For us it’s any respiratory virus and they develop bronchiolitis and / or a wheeze with oxygen levels usually dropping to circa 85-87. It just goes straight to their chest and they struggle to breathe.

My preschooler is much better since he’s been on a brown inhaler but my younger one is too young to be on it. But save for my older one since the brown inhaler, I don’t think they’ve had a single cold where they’ve not ended in hospital. Genuinely lost count at the number of admissions they’ve have had. We had a follow up for my toddler the other day and the doctor wanted to know about all his episodes and admissions and I actually forgot half of them!

I don’t think many parents really understand the stress and anxiety it causes. The second I see a child near them coughing or with a runny nose, my heart drops!

Not sure how old your little is - DD was prescribed 100mcg clenill twice daily from 12 months, DS was older, think he was about 20 months, and 50mcg. Both younger than 2 but there was some discussion for both and it was deemed essential. DS is just about to start school and it’s just been increased to 100mcg as he was starting to struggle. Think DD getting it so early prevented a lot of the difficulties DS had.

OP hope little one is doing ok

dontcomeatme · 27/07/2025 08:06

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 27/07/2025 07:08

Not sure how old your little is - DD was prescribed 100mcg clenill twice daily from 12 months, DS was older, think he was about 20 months, and 50mcg. Both younger than 2 but there was some discussion for both and it was deemed essential. DS is just about to start school and it’s just been increased to 100mcg as he was starting to struggle. Think DD getting it so early prevented a lot of the difficulties DS had.

OP hope little one is doing ok

I'm going to ask my DM today when I was given an Inhaler. I know I had my first attack at 7weeks old and got admitted, then they just got worse after that. I had my own nebuliser and my DM always said from a young age I knew when I needed my Inhaler I could feel it and would ask for it. I'm so glad your DD got given some medication early, its a horrible worry watching them go through this!

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dontcomeatme · 27/07/2025 12:41

@Qwickwit these images are quite mild today, but would you class this as mottled?

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dontcomeatme · 27/07/2025 12:44

Didnt attach one of the photos 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Mumoftwo2022 · 27/07/2025 22:15

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 26/07/2025 22:32

Oxygen stats at 94 for a small child with this sort of breathing needs oxygen via mask.

Been here many times.

2 kids not yet diagnosed with asthma as too young, but being treated as if they have it. We got a finger monitor. As soon as oxygen dropped to 95 that was my cue to set off for the hospital.

OP Don’t worry about going too often. My oldest was dismissed as a fat happy wheezer for his first year. We ended up at the hospital at least once a month (and every bank holiday) from starting nursery. It was the third trip that we got the right doctor and things improved after that. He’s 4 now and been well managed for the last couple of years.

Sometimes he would make a drastic recovery as soon as we got to hospital, only for it to go wrong again a few hours later - I usually take a short video showing symptoms before I set off now. Saved me a few second trips!

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Not always , my child got discharged once he could stay at 92 for a long period of time.

Qwickwit · 28/07/2025 22:47

dontcomeatme · 27/07/2025 12:41

@Qwickwit these images are quite mild today, but would you class this as mottled?

I wouldn't be astronomically concerned by that mottling in isolation, like one doctor said babies can sometimes be slightly mottled and that doesn't look too drastic (I will see if I can dig out a photo of mottling on a "cardiac baby" for comparison, but as part of the history I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask the question and perhaps arrange an echo to rule it out. There's also lots of other things it could be in terms of airway or breathing, especially if there is a strong family history, but cardiac issues do often affect breathing and so I would ask.

If your gp is reluctant (or if you're in a&e and feel you aren't being listened to) I find it can really help to phrase your questions as "I am concerned about X and was wondering if we could/explore y" , and if they say they don't think it's necessary, instead of arguing, present it as "ok, please could you explain to me what you are/are not seeing in my child that has led you to that decision?". You achieve one of 2 things, you either get some insight into their clinical rationale which hopefully provides some reassurance (eg, I don't think it's cardiac/I don't think this breathing pattern requires immediate admission because we haven't got x y or z, or because we do still have a b or c, or I would expect to see etc) in which case you can either ask more questions if you are unclear about something that has underpinned their decision, or the other option is they realise that they have perhaps been led by assumptions and not the clinical picture in front of them. The other one I use in a&e a lot when they tell me they aren't concerned is "ok, I appreciate that we aren't at the threshold for you to be concerned, can you please let me know at what point you would want me to represent if there is no improvement" - it means you can either stop running back to the hospital every time if they aren't going to do anything, or again, can make them stop and think about whether they are making the right decision. All medical decisions are meant to be clinical judgements so no HCP worth their salt should shy away from or be offended when asked to "show their workings".

dontcomeatme · 29/07/2025 08:08

Qwickwit · 28/07/2025 22:47

I wouldn't be astronomically concerned by that mottling in isolation, like one doctor said babies can sometimes be slightly mottled and that doesn't look too drastic (I will see if I can dig out a photo of mottling on a "cardiac baby" for comparison, but as part of the history I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask the question and perhaps arrange an echo to rule it out. There's also lots of other things it could be in terms of airway or breathing, especially if there is a strong family history, but cardiac issues do often affect breathing and so I would ask.

If your gp is reluctant (or if you're in a&e and feel you aren't being listened to) I find it can really help to phrase your questions as "I am concerned about X and was wondering if we could/explore y" , and if they say they don't think it's necessary, instead of arguing, present it as "ok, please could you explain to me what you are/are not seeing in my child that has led you to that decision?". You achieve one of 2 things, you either get some insight into their clinical rationale which hopefully provides some reassurance (eg, I don't think it's cardiac/I don't think this breathing pattern requires immediate admission because we haven't got x y or z, or because we do still have a b or c, or I would expect to see etc) in which case you can either ask more questions if you are unclear about something that has underpinned their decision, or the other option is they realise that they have perhaps been led by assumptions and not the clinical picture in front of them. The other one I use in a&e a lot when they tell me they aren't concerned is "ok, I appreciate that we aren't at the threshold for you to be concerned, can you please let me know at what point you would want me to represent if there is no improvement" - it means you can either stop running back to the hospital every time if they aren't going to do anything, or again, can make them stop and think about whether they are making the right decision. All medical decisions are meant to be clinical judgements so no HCP worth their salt should shy away from or be offended when asked to "show their workings".

Thank you this is all extremely helpful! I find A&E so hard, we're supposed to trust the HCP but you're right I need to ask them to "show their workings".
I love the phrasing of these questions and will definitely be using them. Every time he is seen everything is always "borderline", which is fine in isolation, but when multiple things are "borderline" it makes you start to wonder, surely it wouldn't take much to tip the scales, especially in something such as asthma for example. Thank you for all of your advice and help I deeply appreciate it. I'm going to contact the unit he was in for his heart and also chase up his paeds appointment 🙏

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