Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Parenting

For free parenting resources please check out the Early Years Alliance's Family Corner.

How did cave women look after their babies?

309 replies

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:06

Ok so I have a 6 week old baby and he has lots of stuff, a crib, Moses basket, cot and a a pod/nest, this is all for sleeping, don't get me started on a pram car seat, feeding stuff...
Back in the caveman times how did the ladies take care of the babies, like in winter how did they keep them warm, how did they keep the babies quiet so they didn't get eaten or killed by other tribes. What about nappies, was colic around then?

I often sit and wonder about these things, also how babies were made, did they just figure it out and then make the connection that everything they had sex, 9 months later a baby would appear,,,

Does anyone else think about these things or do I have cabin fever and need to get out more?

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
Thread gallery
9
Starsandflowers · 08/05/2024 17:35

I was reading the other day about how in the past newborn babies used to be fed 'pap' which is mushed up bread and water or 'gruel' as a type of early formula. Often they'd be given alcohol to settle them too!
And I was reading that sadly working women in the early victorian era often used to drug their babies with laudanum so they would sleep all day alone at home whilst the mother went to work.
I also know much earlier on in history there was a period when it was thought harmful for infants to be exposed to sunlight... leading many to end up dying from rickets.
I do wonder how the human species survived...

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:36

@Theredfoxfliesatmidnight yeah to look at it another way, I wonder what they would make of our way of doing it, remove the cot bumpers, don't pre make up bottles etc we are given so much information now, I suppose the infant mortality rate was higher back then or maybe not.

OP posts:
fashionqueen0123 · 08/05/2024 17:38

selondon28 · 08/05/2024 17:22

It doesn't look at cave women, but there is a lovely book I read or re-read when each of mine were babies called 'Our Babies, Ourselves' by Meredith Small. She does a fascinating job of looking at how little babies have changed over millennia, and there is even has a line in the book that your post reminds me of. Something about how babies remain the same while parenting fads and equipment race by them in sequence across the years. There are also sections looking at how 4 or 5 different cultures look after their babies, which are fascinating. We are all having the same essential experience yet it can feel so different.

It makes sense. Like why babies cry when we put them down. Their ‘cave man’ instinct is telling them they’re not safe. They don’t know they’re in a safe bedroom with no animals at the door!

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:39

0tterish · 08/05/2024 17:25

I am ALWAYS thinking about this sort of thing. Not so much about babies but I'll be on a walk in the countryside or mountains and imagine how it might have been and how they would choose where to stop and find food etc

Me too, I wonder how I would cope?
Would I be tough or complain the whole time or just get on with it,,,,
I do this with the olden days too, wondering what my house would look like back then based on my income equivalent to back then.

OP posts:
butonlyone · 08/05/2024 17:39

Theredfoxfliesatmidnight · 08/05/2024 17:26

And is our modern way of parenting better? So many tiny babies go into nursery now so mum can work. No judgement as I know this can be a necessity. But babies would have been cared for by mums then. How is that worse or awful

No judgement here, much 😂

dreamfield · 08/05/2024 17:39

Are you talking about homo sapiens? Homo neanderthalensis? Homo erectus? Another species?

What time period? What geographical location?

TrailOfTime · 08/05/2024 17:40

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

Dacadactyl · 08/05/2024 17:41

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:39

Me too, I wonder how I would cope?
Would I be tough or complain the whole time or just get on with it,,,,
I do this with the olden days too, wondering what my house would look like back then based on my income equivalent to back then.

You'd cope because you'd have survived long enough to have had the child in the first place. And you'd have a community who had taught you how to survive from the minute you could walk. You wouldn't know any different so wouldn't complain.

NotMeNoNo · 08/05/2024 17:41

I expect they (or other group members) carried babies most of the time in a sling/wrap type arrangement like in traditional societies today.

BigButtons · 08/05/2024 17:41

Most babies would have died before the age of one anyway .

butonlyone · 08/05/2024 17:42

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

There haven’t been any UK deaths linked to them and I think only one that I’m aware of, ever.

Of course they officially go against the Lullaby Trust guidelines for a clear cot but I wouldn’t personally call them dangerous.

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:42

@TrailOfTime I don't use them for sleeping, I use it for him to lie in when he is awake and he is just chilling on the couch next to me.

OP posts:
dreamfield · 08/05/2024 17:44

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:39

Me too, I wonder how I would cope?
Would I be tough or complain the whole time or just get on with it,,,,
I do this with the olden days too, wondering what my house would look like back then based on my income equivalent to back then.

Sorry what time period is "the olden days"? 1850s? 1050s? 650s?

"Cavemen times" or "the olden days" could mean anything, they aren't defined pre/historical time periods.

What time period are you imagining?

rickandmorts · 08/05/2024 17:44

Omg I have often wondered this! How did they keep them contained in the caves when they became mobile? My toddler would simply wake up in the middle of the night and fuck off.

Cherryon · 08/05/2024 17:46

jannier · 08/05/2024 17:35

I know that but in the cave man erra we were very primative with basic tools hygiene wasn't high on our lists and we were closer to our animal descendents than us as we are now. Do you think they would have wasted animal hide on nappies? Making a nest for baby is more likely than fashioning a crib. Even in Tudor times the poor slept on sacking on the floor and waste was thrown in the streets.
I'm sure leaves have been used to wipe in many cultures far back ...and even apes use tools.

Sorry for some reason your post had me visualising a hamster eating her own babies. I do think we are closer to cavemen than they were to animals.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 08/05/2024 17:47

I would suggest you look at one of the Flintstones cartoons. I think that much of what you wonder about is clearly explained there.

For example, a cradle type thing for their baby is rocked by a small dinosaur.

N.B. Don't bother with the film 'The Flintstones' it is inaccurate and rather sanitises the whole stone age period.

Cherryon · 08/05/2024 17:48

rickandmorts · 08/05/2024 17:44

Omg I have often wondered this! How did they keep them contained in the caves when they became mobile? My toddler would simply wake up in the middle of the night and fuck off.

Probably baby reins made from leather tied to a very heavy large rock.

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:48

@dreamfield so olden days for me would be Oliver Twist period or a bit before that, cave men days, well I have no idea what time period that was.

OP posts:
dreamfield · 08/05/2024 17:49

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:48

@dreamfield so olden days for me would be Oliver Twist period or a bit before that, cave men days, well I have no idea what time period that was.

Ok, but when you say cavemen are you talking about modern humans or neanderthals?

Cherryon · 08/05/2024 17:50

Usually cavemen days refers to the end of the last Ice Age 12,000 years ago and earlier.

Cherryon · 08/05/2024 17:51

dreamfield · 08/05/2024 17:49

Ok, but when you say cavemen are you talking about modern humans or neanderthals?

I personally be thinking of both because Neanderthals were human too and co-existed and interbred with Homo Sapiens sapiens (modern man).
Most Northern Europeans have neanderthal DNA.

dreamfield · 08/05/2024 17:53

Cherryon · 08/05/2024 17:51

I personally be thinking of both because Neanderthals were human too and co-existed and interbred with Homo Sapiens sapiens (modern man).
Most Northern Europeans have neanderthal DNA.

Right, but neanderthals died out about 40,000 years ago. So if you're picturing 12,000 years ago it was modern humans in pretty sophisticated societies.

Lorddenning1 · 08/05/2024 17:54

@dreamfield I think Neanderthals but maybe both, to be fair I haven't given much thought about the time periods per se, just the logistics of how they would operate in their environment but focussing on babies etc.
then I go down the rabbit hole of what they must of thought when their belly's started getting bigger and during labour. And the sex part, how did they figure that out, where all the parts go lol

OP posts:
tobee · 08/05/2024 17:54

Talking of food I wonder how people discovered what food could be eaten safely? And how you can prepare it to be edible? Trial and error and accident, brought on by necessity being the mother of invention I imagine. A slow process.

I remember reading something in a book called Cod about the Pilgrim Fathers nearly dying of starvation in what became the USA despite the fact that the sea was teeming with lobster etc because, to them, it seemed like an impossible thing to eat!

idreamoftoddlersleepytime · 08/05/2024 17:55

They didn't. Many human populations (not Homo sapiens, but other related hominids) existed in small populations before dying out and becoming extinct. It took 90,000 years for the relative few of us that survived into adulthood to go from hunter gatherer to agriculture, 8,000 years to industrialisation. All of it in service of improved life expectancy.