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Child stealing sweets and snacks

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Elsalvador · 19/12/2022 05:38

I really don't know what to do. I'm almost at my wit's end.

DS (9) keeps stealing sweets and savoury snacks. He then hides the evidence so we don't always discover if and when he's done it so he's self-rewarding (i.e. he gets away with it for some time until we've found the wrappers or realised it's gone missing). This has been going on and off for the best part of the last two years but more so this year.

What makes us despair is the sneakiness. He's incredibly creative in finding ways to get the stuff from cupboards. Doesn't matter how high or well hidden it is, he'll find it. I cannot watch him 24/7 as I work from home so sometimes I may be in a meeting or I'll need to cook dinner, feed the cat and dog or go to the loo. At this age, I shouldn't have to watch him 24/7.

He then hides it in his bedroom. Then he either eats it at night (so I worry about his teeth also) or he feigns excuses to go to his room and eats it then. Or he'll say he's going to the loo for a number two. The evidence is then disposed of in creative ways. I have found them under his bed, hidden under rarely worn clothes in his drawer, under the sofa, in the shoe cupboard, thrown outside the window into the back garden, kept in pockets then discreetly into the bin 😢. If we ask him if he's done it once we've found stuff missing, he will always admit it if that makes a difference.

To be really clear. We do not ban sweets and snacks in the house as we don't want them to become illicit. The kids do get them but we try to be balanced about it and they know the importance of eating healthily. This is not about having too much (we don't think it's a sugar addiction) or not having enough. The issue we feel is that DS has no impulse control. We have seen this sneakiness with other stuff that he wants, including the laptop (required for school) or he fixates on an idea and has to do it. It's just that sweets and snacks are the main focus now as the laptop now has the WiFi password disabled permanently.

It's having a detrimental impact on family life. DH and I are extremely frustrated with the sneakiness. His sibling also gets upset as he steals her stuff. When she's little sweets from end of term at school or from a party bag etc, she'll put it away in her tin to eat later but he has always found a way to find it and eat it only for it to be discovered missing days later. Recently, he opened a couple of doors from her advent calendar and ate the chocolate even though he has his own. He did this last year too. He also went through my bedside table and found a hidden bag of jelly beans which was part of his siblibg's birthday present and ate that. We realised as he dropped a jelly bean on the floor which we found. The empty packet still hasn't been found.

Things we have tried:

  • he understands it's a poor choice and the consequences and impact on others. We talk about it a lot. He feels genuine remorse afterwards and often cries as he feels sad but I'm not sure if this is at being caught, remorse at his own behaviour or sad because I'm cross with him. He gets away with it enough that I think it's worth the risk in his head. I cannot weigh and stock check every food item in the cupboard nor do I want to.
  • we don't keep lots of sweets in the house but like to think we're like most family households in this regard. We have snacks in the cupboard as the kids need to take their own snack to school for after school club. So we're talking things like oat biscuits, Ryvita bars, yoghurt bars or popcorn. He'll take these as well as savoury snacks (mini cheddars e.g.) as well as sweet stuff (mini celebrations, haribos etc) that we get from trick or treating, parties, school fairs etc.
  • we have stopped buying as much but the kids still snacks for school and DH needs it for his packed lunch for work. Also, I'd rather DS not steal than completely deprive the entire household of any snacks in the house and I feel this wouldn't work anyway as it would make them illicit.
  • we make it clear that he does get snacks/sweets when it's appropriate and as part of a healthy balanced meal. I should say that he's not hungry. He eats well otherwise and is at a perfect weight for his height. We also have a fruit bowl and a fridge full of fruit and Greek yoghurt which he's welcome to anytime if he wants a little snack) and he often likes a glass of milk as a snack. We know it isn't hunger motivated.

To avoid drip feeding, it is possible DS has ADHD. We are in the process of having him assessed but we are at the start of our journey. We have been he presents "flavours of ADHD and possible ODD" but he's possibly on the edge of the spectrum or very high functioning. He is bright (above average) but it isn't channelled in the right way (school frequently reports that he's bright but not engaged at all and doesn't listen, focus or try his best in lessons).

DH is at the point where he's exasperated but doesn't know what to say or do anymore as nothing makes a difference to DS. The behaviour continues. I worry a lot that DS will grow up and this will escalate to drinks, drugs and other anti social behaviour as he doesn't have self control. It's less the sweets but more the sneakiness and lack of impulse control we find frustrating and worrying. His sibling also gets quite stressed and upset because she's exactly the opposite (naturally compliant and all about doing the right thing) and feels he "gets away with it" all the time.

Please be gentle. We are at our wits end. Once Xmas is over we plan to stop buying any nice snacks at all in the house. Any sweets can be eaten there and then e.g. those they get from party bags, from school at the summer fair end of term etc. This isn't forever but I feel we need to set him up for success and see what happens when there's nothing at all to take. If we need snacks, I'll buy them on the go in single packets on the way to school and do it that way. To be clear, he would never steal from a shop and has never done this nor do I think he would ever do this. It's just in our house.

Does anyone have any advice? It makes me so upset this behaviour. We try our best as parents. We have routines, boundaries and communicate a lot with the kids. We are engaged etc so this isn't DS not being supervised. We have another child who is the exact opposite and we worry also as she's getting fed up with her brother's sneakiness and it's impacting their relationship (they don't get on as well as they used to in part because of this). We also get so cross and exasperated with him and I worry it's harming out relationship with DS. Nothing we have ever said or done seems to make a difference. As I said, once DS fixates on an idea he has to do it.

Or if anyone has ideas as to how we can reframe this in our minds so we don't get as frustrated with DS, that would also be helpful. We feel like the worst and most ineffective parents when he does this. DH doesn't but I feel a lot of guilt and anxiety that it must be because I'm doing a rubbish job though the logical part of me knows this can't be true. I just don't know how to approach this in a way that DS responds to.

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123woop · 20/12/2022 10:02

No advice as such but you have my sympathy. My friend has a son like this who is about the same age now but he's been doing it for years. It's quite odd as he used to get very agitated about food, and now he still gets agitated but it's now turning into aggression and anger which is a bit scary tbh as he gets bigger! Again, zero other signs of adhd/ASD etc - his aunty is an ASD specialist so has ruled that out. She suggested therapy but I don't think they've gone down that route yet. Again, eats fine at meal times and no restrictions on food necessarily. I know how bad it is and also how bad it can get so you have my support 🌹

ToBeOrNotToBee · 20/12/2022 10:05

Your child as an eating disorder and likely a mental illness.

Get help from a medical professional.

ChaosWithEdMiliband · 20/12/2022 11:53

Haven't read the whole thread, but just to say, those criticising your parenting in an unhelpful way or catastrophising can be safely ignored! If you try to make your child feel like a bad person over this, you will most likely end up with worse problems in future.

I was like this as a child. Don't ask me why. Never had any problem budgeting or with addictions, never had eating or weight problems. I think it's just a combination of immaturity (thinking it's fun, lacking empathy in the moment) intelligence (liking a challenge) and perhaps a bit of opportunism.

Then of course my dc1 turned out to be the same, and I was tearing my hair out. Years of trying this that and the next thing. Problem is, finding the latest hiding place is it's own reward.

I actually think, though not a permanent solution, not having treats in the house for a bit, and as others suggested give control to him over his own stuff, does help. Perhaps a lockable case for his sister that you can keep out of his reach. At the age of 12, mine finally outgrew it. Just one of those things, but you'll get through it!

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Endlesslaundry123 · 20/12/2022 15:38

Agree with getting on the same team with him to find something that works for everyone. Get him a good supply of gum to help with the possibility of stimulus/dopamine seeking. Serve him as much protein as you can. Help him to get enough sleep and exercise. Seek an ADHD assessment.

Elsalvador · 20/12/2022 19:39

Thanks everyone. Some really good suggestions and different perspectives have been shared here. I've already shown DH this thread with a view to taking on board some of the ideas suggested. What does give me relief is hearing how many of you were like as kids or have children who did this but it all turned out fine.

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Bobbybobbins · 20/12/2022 19:44

Some great points here. Tbh I did this as a child the same age as your DS. Looking back on it, I have absolutely no idea why I did it apart from I loved sweets. It must have driven my parents mad. I grew out of it by the start of secondary school. I think getting the bus home from school and being able to gets little snack from the newsagents gave me more of a sense of control/being grown up.

Wrennie24 · 20/12/2022 19:46

My son does this and has ADHD diagnosis. It did spiral into taking money to spend on sweets and crisps as he got older to the extent we now keep no cash in the house. It is all part of his hyper focus behaviours and lack of Interest in consequences. It is infuriating and hasn't eased even though he is now on medication.

FangedFrisbee · 20/12/2022 20:59

Have you tried chewable necklaces? I have autism and my child does too, he had weight issues from eating so many treats. However we realised it was the sensory need that the hard or chewy candy was giving his brain?

Got some chewable autism society approved necklaces and the need stopped. He didn't even want to swallow after having the hard chewy candy but you can't spit it out in public can you? He wanted that feedback in his mouth and at the time chewits and fruitella did it for him.

It's been life changing for us

megletthesecond · 20/12/2022 21:06

I have this problem with my younger teen. Some food is kept in the car (nightmare as we have communal parking away from the house) and a few other bits are tucked away for my older teen who doesn't scoff the whole lot. Younger teen is going to be assessed for ASD, they don't have an off switch.
When I'm at work I leave out a selection of snacks for my youngest.

crazeekat · 29/06/2023 19:42

op i'm going through the same as you right now, i'm wondering if u are still on MN how u are getting on with your son?

Elsalvador · 30/06/2023 06:21

@crazeekat unfortunately, it hasn't got any better and causes even more frustration as he's older and rather than getting better, he's just more creative and lies more about it. Since posting my OP, he's been referred by the GP (after discussing our concerns) for an ADHD assessment. We've had the initial screening where he ticked most of the boxes so now we're just waiting for the full, in-depth assessment to get a diagnosis. If he has ADHD, it will explain the hyper focus and lack of impulse control and care for consequences. Doesn't mean his behaviour will change but it will help us reframe everything and a diagnosis will mean family support from professionals to help us understand and manage his ADHD, including this behaviour. Medication is also another option. Sorry to hear you're going through the same with your son. It's really frustrating so I empathize a lot.

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Gentlemumuk · 09/03/2024 20:19

Hi op. I know it's been a year and you may have figured out a solution, but just wanted to say it sounds as though your intuition about neurodivergance is right. I have an older daughter who used to do the same (however there were some things i wish i knew sooner to help her stop). Its also similar to how my 5 year old son has begun acting too.

I just wanted to come with some ideas you may not have tried after my experiences...

  1. have you checked for parasites? Pin worms are very common in children and can make them chronically hungry, especially for sugar. They actually have a 'Hive mind' and can compel this kind of behaviour to get what 'they need'. Worse at full and new moons!

  2. is there any family history of food disorders or have you or your husband ever experienced food anxiety or neglect when you were younger? Is there any pattern in your family line with food scarcity? Ancestral patterns and trauma can be passed through to children without them ever having experienced it themselves.

  3. consult a homeopath! These people are miracle workers and if you find a good homeopath to work with your son now, within a couple of months, he will have dramatically improved. Try it before you knock it!

  4. punishment in this case won't work. As you say, he's indifferent to it anyway and it may cause problems down the line with shame and poor personal internal image. I.e. I am a bad person or i am selfish or greedy or whatever he internalises. I understand why you feel there needs to be consequences, but the consequences will have to keep being worse and worse and mostly, kids stop caring. I'm not saying I haven't done this myself, I just know it doesn't work, and really did just make things worse. Natural consequences are another thing, I.e. things running out, or his sister keeping some of her things locked away so she can eat them later.

  5. therapy might help. Something like IFS (internal family systems) or EFT might help. Often it's a Part that is self destructive that is trying to protect you in some way. Art therapy might also help you get to the bottom of what's going on for him internally and psychologically.

  6. What is the energy like between you all? You don't have to say here, but is there some underlying 'Stuff" going on between you and your husband, your son and daughter, your husband and your son, you and your son?

  7. Other questions to consider are... When did the 'stealing' start? What changed? House move? School change? Sibling born? Husband away more? Could be anything! Was it after a virus or other illness? A stay in hospital? A holiday abroad? Is there any anxiety about having 'enough'?

Anyway, just some different angles to consider from someone who has gone through it and tried everything before finding some alternative treatments. ✨️

milski · 09/03/2024 20:39

You have just described my DS8 to a T!!
Finds sweets no matter where they are hidden, steals his brother's sweets, sometimes steals from others as well which is really worrying.
He has no impulse control and doesn't think about the consequences.
I'm afraid I have no answers for how to resolve it. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.

lipglossandmascara · 16/06/2024 17:33

itsthefinalcountdown1 · 19/12/2022 06:41

He feels genuine remorse afterwards and often cries as he feels sad but I'm not sure if this is at being caught, remorse at his own behaviour or sad because I'm cross with him. He gets away with it enough that I think it's worth the risk in his head.
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He doesn't feel remorse. He keeps doing it. You need to remove all snacks from around the house, provide health snacks in a bowl and lock away the treats. Absolutely baffled as to why you wouldn't do this already.
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If he's snacking in the night, his teeth aren't staying clean from being brushed at bedtime, which you know is unacceptable and he should know that too. Also eating his sister's treats is just plain naughty. Your DD is being punished because you can't be bothered to parent your other child.

What a vile reply.

"Can't be bothered to parent your child"

Bore the fuck off making remarks to a mother like that. Clearly she cares otherwise she wouldn't be posting this post.

Disgusting and careless comment.

protectthesmallones · 16/06/2024 23:13

We had this issue, first snacks then as they got older, alcohol. I bought a lockable drinks cupboard and I keep biscuits and alcohol out of reach now. They are still offered snacks, they just can't rip through a packet in an hour!

protectthesmallones · 16/06/2024 23:15

If it's ADHD or ADD it might be the sensation of crunch he's seeking.

Could you try buying carrot snack bags? Or leaving peeled carrot sticks in the fridge.

Elsalvador · 17/06/2024 05:04

For the benefit of those who might come across this post and may be experiencing similar issues with their child, I wanted to provide an update in case this helps others.

DS was in the end diagnosed with ADHD. It explained so many things about the sweet and snack stealing. Whilst not excusing the behaviour, the diagnosis and understanding how his brain regulates and seeks dopamine as well as the impulsivity, has helped us shift our perspective on this and how we address it.

What's also been interesting is that since the diagnosis, several adults with ADHD - I joined an ND support group - have told me they did exactly the same thing as a child. In their case (not to say this is the solution for all), only the right medication helped stop the behaviour as it curbed the need to seek out the dopamine. It's been validating to hear this because it's too easy to label this kind of behaviour as "naughty" or blame it on poor, lazy or ineffective parenting.

To clarify, this is not to say that every child that does this has ADHD. In our case, he was officially diagnosed and it so happens that what he does is common in many ADHD diagnosed children (again, not all).

@lipglossandmascara thank you for your post. I really appreciate it.

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FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 17/06/2024 10:02

I remember typing my initial reply to this thread! I almost felt compelled to (or maybe I had an irresistible impulse to? Grin), because of just how much I felt I related to your DS's impulse control struggles (and because of the sympathy I felt for you and the rest of your family, knowing how baffled, frustrated and disappointed it made my family members at times).

I'm glad his diagnosis is helping you feel you understand what's going on a little better, and hope the new perspectives are useful in navigating your way through this, and through whatever challenges might emerge in the future.

Although I don't think everyone finds this kind of approach helpful, I've come across quite a few family/household setups where an official diagnosis has allowed everyone to feel like… well, sort of like they're all on the same team, working together to manage the difficulties that come with ADHD, rather than feeling pushed into a Problem Person vs Everyone Else situation. You haven't explicitly said this, but from your tone, it sounds to me as though the official validation of these difficulties as being the result of a diagnosed condition has made you feel more like a team tackling the difficulties together, now? At the very least, you seem much more confident, which can only be a good thing.

(FWIW, I wasn't diagnosed with, or medicated for, my ADHD until I was in my thirties, and despite the childhood snack-pilfering, never got into drugs/crime/gambling beyond the odd joint, so even without the knowledge and resources you now have available to you, it's not inevitable for childhood impulse-control problems to evolve into those kinds of issues. Though I'm female, which does make a bit of a difference, I suppose.)

All the best of luck to you, DS, and the rest of your family Flowers

Sue152 · 17/06/2024 10:16

You don't have to 'ban' sweets, just don't buy them. I don't know why people have to be so dramatic with language, no one 'needs' sweets. You've assumed not making them illicit is healthier but it hasn't worked at all has it? So I think you need to just stop buying them and then he won't constantly be looking to them for the dopamine hit. If he has ADHD and is looking for a dopamine hit all the time then I'd be making sure he was doing a lot of physical exercise and sport. He needs a healthier way to feel good and keep him occupied.

lipglossandmascara · 17/06/2024 19:46

Elsalvador · 17/06/2024 05:04

For the benefit of those who might come across this post and may be experiencing similar issues with their child, I wanted to provide an update in case this helps others.

DS was in the end diagnosed with ADHD. It explained so many things about the sweet and snack stealing. Whilst not excusing the behaviour, the diagnosis and understanding how his brain regulates and seeks dopamine as well as the impulsivity, has helped us shift our perspective on this and how we address it.

What's also been interesting is that since the diagnosis, several adults with ADHD - I joined an ND support group - have told me they did exactly the same thing as a child. In their case (not to say this is the solution for all), only the right medication helped stop the behaviour as it curbed the need to seek out the dopamine. It's been validating to hear this because it's too easy to label this kind of behaviour as "naughty" or blame it on poor, lazy or ineffective parenting.

To clarify, this is not to say that every child that does this has ADHD. In our case, he was officially diagnosed and it so happens that what he does is common in many ADHD diagnosed children (again, not all).

@lipglossandmascara thank you for your post. I really appreciate it.

Edited

You're doing an amazing job x

ouch321 · 17/06/2024 20:01

Your approach to sweet things is really off. Per your description he only gets something sweet if he's gone trick or treating or whatever. You're making it a "forbidden fruit" by not buying in an everyday way and just sticking it in the cupboard. No wonder he tries to get his hands on it whenever he can because it's otherwise scarce. And since when is milk a snack? You sound as if you have food issues that are now causing issues for him.

OlgaRhythm · 17/06/2024 20:27

OP, we are going through the same thing with my eldest son. It is not our attitude that is causing this, he is the eldest of three boys and none of the others have this behaviour. He simply cannot resist eating anything treat like he can get his hands on. He won't just sneak one or two but the whole damn packet and rarely manages to hide the evidence. he also flat out denies it was him every time and yet in most cases it could not have been anyone else. The youngest will keep his sweets in a drawer next to his bed and eat them as and when over the course of a few weeks. The eldest ate all his Christmas stash in one day and threw up that night as a consequence.
I now have a cupboard in the kitchen which is locked. It was a birthday yesterday. The cake is locked in the cupboard so that everyone gets a slice or two over the next few days. The last time I forgot to do this he ate 3/4 of the cake over a day and half. it is infuriating. We are seeking an assessment for this and a few other reasons but have not heard anything since I submitted the paperwork to the school in January 2023.

Pinkclarko · 17/06/2024 21:12

Elsalvador · 17/06/2024 05:04

For the benefit of those who might come across this post and may be experiencing similar issues with their child, I wanted to provide an update in case this helps others.

DS was in the end diagnosed with ADHD. It explained so many things about the sweet and snack stealing. Whilst not excusing the behaviour, the diagnosis and understanding how his brain regulates and seeks dopamine as well as the impulsivity, has helped us shift our perspective on this and how we address it.

What's also been interesting is that since the diagnosis, several adults with ADHD - I joined an ND support group - have told me they did exactly the same thing as a child. In their case (not to say this is the solution for all), only the right medication helped stop the behaviour as it curbed the need to seek out the dopamine. It's been validating to hear this because it's too easy to label this kind of behaviour as "naughty" or blame it on poor, lazy or ineffective parenting.

To clarify, this is not to say that every child that does this has ADHD. In our case, he was officially diagnosed and it so happens that what he does is common in many ADHD diagnosed children (again, not all).

@lipglossandmascara thank you for your post. I really appreciate it.

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I just want to say that you sound like a great mum with your willingness to understand the motivation behind the behaviour.

I was constantly in arguments over squirrelling away food as a child and I still have sweet things in a lock box as an adult (family members know the code).

Sometimes rather than trying to change the behaviour you have to change the environment and pick your battles I think.

Oh, and the feeling of inertia that comes with low dopamine is really awful but at the same time, it’s your normal if you have ADHD. Things like caffeine, sugar, exercise-all help temporarily and I think many people self medicate with them to some degree.

Runandbecome · 03/09/2024 21:24

Just come across this thread in a search as our DS11 has persistently done this for several years - and now has started spending his pocket money on it too and squirrelling it away. Means I feel I can't trust him at all and the deceit upsets me. He's also done this on and off for a long time with sneaking downstairs to watch TV (we're fairly strict on sweets & screens - the kids are all allowed it, just not all the time)

I wouldn't have thought he'd be ADHD as don't think there are any other signs, other than impulse control.

OP has anything you've tried since worked to improve things?

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