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I refuse to feel guilty about this!

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tigermoth · 24/09/2002 13:09

See what you make of this, oh wise ones.

Not having much family, it is a real treat to visit my in laws. Things between us all are harmonious and happy, and we organse our days - the 3 year old, 8 year old, dh and me, Mil and Fil, so everyone is contented - or are they....

Pil (retired) work hard to make their home a comfortable place. They have high standards and are very organised. Mil cooks and works part time, Fil maintains several acres of land and does DIY. They are both keen gardeners and have a thriving vegetable garden. They run a tight ship.

The house and garden is immaculate whenever we visit. Suppers (all home cooked - some frozen in advance) arrive like clockwork from Mil's kitchen. We wash up, clear the table, do extra food shopping etc, in case you think all the other adults let mil do everything.

Mil and pil love seeing their grandchildren. My oldest stays with them for holidays and they are looking forward to having the toddler too when he's older.

I try to make sure that the pils get as much time with the children as they want. But each pil also has their routine to follow - gardening, shopping etc, so they aren't free all day. Their home is in a lovely part of the west country, near a beach and lots of child-friendly attractions, so of course I enjoy taking the children out. And this is where the problem begins.

I think I overdid the taking out when my oldest son was a toddler. He was extremely active and attention demanding. Inside the pils immaculate house - all cream carpets and spindly antique furniture (and this is after a pre visit clear to make it childproof), looking after the toddler, trying to watch him every single second, was exhausting - no, I'd say, impossible. And if things got broken, as they did, I felt awful. Even if the tut tutting was kept out of my earshot I only had to look at the house to see that milk accidently spilt on a cushion, a towel rail wrenched off its hinges, etc mattered much to them. Dh did his bit, but sporadically - he would escape by helping fil work outside during the day. All three adults put the childminding responsibilty on my shoulders. OK, fine, but I take that to mean I have the ultimate power to decide what we then do with our day.

I hit on the solution of leisurly breakfast/touching base (for as long at toddler behaved himself) with pils, followed by trip out,(approx three to seven hours depending where we go) returning with a tired but happy toddler soon ready for the bedtime routine, which pils were free to help with. Then adult supper. Plus, pils were always consulted/invited on the trips out. Sometimes they would come but often were too busy. Neither of them like sitting for hours on a beach.They have never volunteered to take either of my sons out for trips alone. It is just not what they do.

A year or two ago, I began to be aware that pils and dh felt I was not staying in with the children enough, and they wanted to see more of us. Over supper one evening it was suggested to me that the reason my sons were overexcited at home was because the trips tired them out too much. Pils wondered if we might be happier staying in all morning, playing in the garden and then went out after lunch. This was the routine they followed with my then 5 year old when he holidayed alone with them.

So on the last few visits I have reduced the length of the trips out, and let it be known that if pils want us back for any family thing that suddenly crops up, they are very welcome to ring my mobile and we will return.

However I don't think I have gone far enough in my fil and dh's eyes. My mil is an angel and would not make this an issue.

Now the pils plan to sell their house and move to a smaller, village-based one in a couple of years. One reason (implied) for this is that we don't make as much use as they hoped of the house and garden. I really will not feel guilty about this:

The house is too perfect for me to let my sons wander in an out of rooms all morning unattended. The TV room, for instance, has a low shelf with antique telescopes on display. So however much my sons like watching cartoon network (and I don't!!) I can't leave the three year old alone without a quiver of fear and only feel 90% sure that the 8 year old will not fiddle and touch. And no, I cannot say to pils, can you put items A,B, and C away, because in their eyes they have already cleared the house sufficiently. I resent being put in a position where I am expected to spend hours and hours watching over my children. At home they don't have mummy constantly at their elbow. No one else takes on this responsiblity at my pils - everyone else is too busy unless specially asked, so if anything is broken, the blame is all mine.

Ahh yes, the garden. Not much better. A shed full of rakes and power tools, a greenhouse full of tender young plants, a shared driveway with three other houses leading straight onto a road. No gate. A stream. Not a place you can let a three year old run wild in.

My dh suggested to me, I kid you not, that I take an axe and a hammer and spend a day with my sons building a camp in the field next to the garden. And look after the toddler at the same time, and stop the 8 year old from cutting off his fingers. I think not. Also the fact of the matter is that even he most beautful garden becomes boring to my sons after an hour to two - unless they can do exactly as they want in it.

I sometimes feel that pil and dh want the three of us to be like some very public performance installation - 'mother and sons playing happily together for hours and hours AND HOURS' everyone else please feel free to spectate, join in or ignore - whatever suits you.

Ok I want an easy life. I want to take my sons to kid's farm, let them run wild in a playbarn while I take a sneak at a book. Take them to the beach because I like it too. I want to do my looking after chldren bit according to my own rules in private - I do not want to be publically judged. I don't know all the rules of pils house and garden anyway - what's allowed and what isn't. I don't want to get stressed guessing. I don't want my sons to be in trouble for some small thing I allow them to do at home - like drinking squash form a non drip beaker in the living room. We do not confine all drinking to the kitchen. Am I being selfish and lazy? How do others cope? I think I am in the right here and, sorry, I'll compromise as much as I can at pils, but I won't feel guilty!

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Enid · 25/09/2002 10:14

lol francesj and fms

Lizzer · 25/09/2002 11:59

Yep (and hello to you tigermoth - its been a while!) I agree with Jaybee too. Its definitely easy for them to look at it like you've been doing too much with the two boys and that's making them hyper - but let them see what happens when you're not around to sort them both out when they've been in the house all day long... Its alright for them to have the eldest on his own but I'm sure the two of them is more than twice the work?!
I am a great believer in the tiring out theory and take dd to the park and for a walk most days even just for an hour, it bugs me if she's been in all day - even if she has played in the garden. Now she's mobile on her trike I'm hoping for extra tiredness to set in!
Good luck tigermoth, hope something gets sorted soon

tigermoth · 25/09/2002 12:08

I have fantasies about finding myself in a West Country pub garden alone with a G&T. To all those who suggest Pils should have a go at looking after both sons for a few hours in their home, don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind many, many times. You are so right. It's the best way of bringing home (no pun intended) the realities of this situation.

Sadly the distance means it is unlikely dh and both sons could pop down while I took a weekend break.

Over the last few years I have come so close to suggesting to the pils that they look after the boys for a morning, or saying 'I've got a headache, can someone take the boys out' and retiring to my room with a book. Even when we just had the one son, and he was getting past the toddler stage, and really fun and good company, he almost never got taken out by the pils when we were all there. Had I suggested it, I really don't think anyone, dh included, could have got their heads round the idea that mummy actually wants some time off. And the great reason then was that surely I wanted to spend all my holiday time with ds, because I was out at work full time? Besides which, the perfect background to our holiday, the meals,the washing, the clean bedrooms etc were all provided by the pils - that was their gift to us, so all I had to do was enjoy my children, while dh did practical work by helping his father outside. Goodness, not only was I getting a free hoiday, I was getting off lightly on the work front, too.

What really gets me is that the pils are now so used to having my older ds that they know how fun and easy it can be to take him out for a few hours. The tell me they really enjoy it. Yet did they ever take ds off my hands when son number two came along? Not half as much as they could. I was expected to be the sole carer/entertainer of my small baby and my six year old. Not the worst task in the world, but given the available manpower, not the most necessary either. And now the baby is a toddler, any extra childminding done by the pils involves the easy option - taking my older son, leaving me to have a 'break' err.. with the toddler.

And so it goes on. My older son really likes crab fishing, and this means going to a ledge near deep water. I was really hoping someone would have volunteered to take him fishing, but promises made by my dh never quite happened and the pils did not take the hint (yet they have said how much they enjoy crab fishing with him on his holidays ahhh!!) so I did it - with difficulty. Hovering near deep water with a howling three year old who knows he's missing out on the fun and tantrums accordingly is not my idea of a good time. And I really don't think that either pil stopped to think that some activities don't suit two age groups.

Also, sorry to rant on, but I am in full flow now-....every time we visit, the pils say they are eager to have our youngest son to stay when he is older - say five-ish. They really want dh and I to have a break, perhaps go on holiday alone ( our first adults only break for 10 years). Now to me common sense would say, get in practise by looking after both boys now from time to time!!!Also there's the safety issue. When I do wave goodbye to both boys, it is with the knowledge that the pils have no hands on experience of looking after them both.

Anyway going back to now, as you've so rightly said, dh is not pulling his weight here. Yes, he's busy at his pils, but he's chosen his tasks.
I know him well, and ranting and raving will get me nowhere, I have to be more subtle, and spontaneous - I'm getting good at casually saying I have to do something (like have a long bath)when dh and at least one pil is resting in front of the television, so they can't use the busy excuse on me. I don't pick on one of them, so no one person has time to say no. Each assumes I am talking to the other. I then drift off as quickly as my glee will allow and let them work it out that I am not there any more and one of them will have to take charge.

My best hope, though, is the knowledge that it will get better, in about two summers time when my youngest ds is hopefully sensible enough and old enough to venture forth alone with the pils.

Anyway, thanks for saying 'don't feel guilty'. I don't think what I am doing is that saintlike - I enjoy the trips out too - but it's nice to see these comments in print - and remember them at crisis moments. We are visiting the pils at half term, so those moments may come very soon.

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janh · 25/09/2002 14:12

Oh, tigermoth, I think you are SO saintly I feel like writing to the Pope for a spot of early canonisation (???)! Your dh, OTOH, might benefit from a quick frontal lobotomy. Your patience and tolerance is admirable!

Jasper · 25/09/2002 14:28

tigermoth, am I alone in not quite understanding the problem?
You mention two issues -them moving somewhere smaller, and the nonchildfriendliness of their house.
I don't think by the sound of your inlaws ( they sound lovely) they are trying to make you feel guilty at all by talking of moving to a smaller house.
My parents are retired and have a largish house and myself and my siblings visit often with our respective kids . Every so often mum and dad will talk about moving to a smaller place but will always mention how handy their current house is when lots of us are there at once.
In other words I think what they are kind of saying is "we may downsize at some point soon and hope you don't mind because it won't be quite so good when you bring your kids to visit". Could it not be that your inlaws are saying something along the same lines?
On the second issue of their perfect house. You did not suggest that they have ever made any disparaging remarks about your children's behaviour around their precious stuff . It sounds like your pils are very proud of their home and garden, and even more proud of their grandchildren! Is that so unusual or does it need to be a problem? They must know that if they leave fragile interesting stuff within reach of a three year old accidents will occasionally happen. Chances are they are okay with that.
You ask are you being selfish and lazy. It does not sound like it. You sound like the perfect dil, with perfect pils!
Basically I am wondering if you are seeing a problem where none exists.
Dare I suggest perhaps your dh is being a little selfish and lazy? After all they are HIS parents so he is likely to understand the unspoken house rules. Does he share your concerns at all?
Finally, your inlaws house sounds like the perfect place for you to go for a break on your own , without dh and the kids

Bozza · 25/09/2002 15:53

Tigermoth - could you plan to take DS1 somewhere where toddlers would not be welcome (some kind of museum or the cinema or climbing or something) and leave them with DS2 as a starting point. Although the crab fishing would have been suitable and that didn't work out. Or tell them that you have promised DS1 a treat on his own so will have to leave DS2.

My MIL never seems to want to go out anywhere when we visit. She likes to play the matriarch and have everyone visit her and be fed by her. Far less keen to come to us than vice-versa - about 1 hr drive and PIL are relatively young (early 50s).

KMG · 25/09/2002 19:47

Don't feel guilty Tigermoth, I can't believe you still go there ... ooops, can't actually remember when I last went to my pils - just couldn't cope with the stress of countless nicknacks everywhere, and no space to run around.

Are there other grandchildren? My boys (3 and 5) have a cousin (4), who is used to watching TV all day, and lives near to Pils. He is VERY placid, laid-back, and undemanding .. doesn't care if his meals arrive 2 hrs late, etc. Pils think my two are monsters because they are not like him.

sorry, no helpful advice here.

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tigermoth · 26/09/2002 10:16

Ohh I like that idea, Bozza - finding an activity that's strictily for my oldest only - go karting comes to mind (age limit 8 years old I believe). If I give pils lots of warning, I'm sure they'd find it hard to refuse to look after the toddler for a morning. Thanks!

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Bozza · 26/09/2002 10:32

Glad to be of some help Tigermoth. Go-karting sounds great - not least because DS1 (and maybe you...) will probably love it.

tigermoth · 26/09/2002 10:34

Jasper, thanks for the flattery

A real problem? well not a huge one, but I do think there are small currents of resentment underneath the calm waters or our west country idyll. And that's partly why I have been subjected to these suggestions about amending our going out. To be honest, when I'm feeling at my worst, the leaving of tempting nic nacs around the house feels like some form of passive aggression aimed at me. In one way they want to make my life difficult - oh that sounds self pitying! and probably not true.

OK the pils never openly berate me about lack of supervision if an item gets broken etc, but I can tell. I cannot believe that they privitely laughed away the damage to their Georgian sewing box, for instance.

I think they are really hoping their grandsons have lovely memories of these holidays - they have said as much to me - so they suffer in silence.

I just wish they were more laid back, let the weeds grow in the garden for a few days, phoned up for a takeaway for supper, and had more time to enjoy their grandsons.

And yes, dh doesn't come out of this smelling of roses, does he!

I agree, the moving to a smaller place is what lots of older people do - and the new place will still have room for us. As you say, that's not the main issue.

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tigermoth · 26/09/2002 10:40

Actually you're right - I've always fancied go karting, Bozza.

BTW, thanks for the invite Rozzy - sadly we're not in your part of the west country, I believe.

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jasper · 26/09/2002 20:30

Tigermoth perhaps you can derive some secret satisfaction that your mumsnet pals are all privately laughing at the very EXISTENCE of a Georgian sewing box

FrancesJ · 26/09/2002 20:36

Good luck with the next visit, Tigermoth

tigermoth · 27/09/2002 14:09

Thanks all.

Now hoping that pils don't ever get a computer.

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Copper · 27/09/2002 16:17

Can we hear what happens at half term?

tigermoth · 28/09/2002 14:53

OK, will report back.

I am mulling over two possibilties for our half term break - having a headache so I have to take to my bed for a whole morning while 'someone'looks after the children and/or suggesting I take the oldest go karting while 'someone' looks after the youngest.

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