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Little boys' willies

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IWillOnlyEatBeans · 08/08/2013 20:22

Wasn't sure where to post this for the best!

I have two boys - DS1 is 3.6 and DS2 is 7 months. Their willies behave in quite different ways and I was wondering whether there is any cause for concern....

When DS1 wees, his willy blows up like a balloon. He then has to stand by the toilet for ages after he has finished weeing while it drips. DH and I assumed this was fairly normal (DH is circumcised) - until we had DS2.

When DS2 wees, the hole at the end of willy gets bigger and the wee comes out without any swelling or drama! Which I assume is the 'normal' way? I have never seen DS1's urethra opening get any wider.

Also, DS2's willy is constantly standing to attention. This has never happened with DS1.

Does any/all of this sound normal? Or do I need to take DS1 to the Dr to get checked out? Does it sound like there might be an issue with this foreskin? He assures me there is no pain when he wees!

Thanks!

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pooka · 08/08/2013 22:10

Both my sons have fairly long foreskins. Neither of them balloon when peeing. They are 8 and 3 and they can both retract their foreskins - often up to it in the bath as ds2 has just discovered his willy now he's out of nappies.

If not sore, then unlikely to require circumcision. Think usually it is recommended to keep a watching brief, combined with gradually increasing retraction if it isn't uncomfortable for your ds1 and he's happy to play in the bath for example.

Incidentally, not all boys have frequent erections. They really do vary. And also go through phases.

pooka · 08/08/2013 22:12

You're right with the hula hoop description Yoni!

YoniBottsBumgina · 08/08/2013 22:18

Grin It's not mine, it came from another parenting site, one of those "funny things kids say", I think it was in America, but the child had asked his father why in the changing rooms some men had sausages and others had hula hoops. Made me chuckle.

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IWillOnlyEatBeans · 09/08/2013 09:19

Well I got him to gently stretch his foreskin from side to side this morning and it worked fine with no pain or discomfort. So I will encourage that for now to see if it helps. Will also make appt with gp and take a video with me. Thanks all.

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3birthdaybunnies · 09/08/2013 12:01

IME you won't need to encourage him too much now he's discovered his portable toy!

Tee2072 · 09/08/2013 15:57

Okay, saw the GP.

She is referring him to urology/surgery she isn't sure if it's an issue, but she thinks it's better to have it looked at by someone who knows better than her rather than wait until an infection or worse problem develops.

So there you go. A doctor says it's a problem.

IWillOnlyEatBeans · 09/08/2013 20:17

Sorry to hear that Tee, I hope your little boy doesn't need surgery.

Thanks for the update. A trip to the GP for us next week then!

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MoreThanWords · 09/08/2013 20:33

Thank goodness for this thread! Am sure dgs's willy balloons, but after three daughters, and no man around to ask, I had no idea what a 4year old's willy should be doing! Not looking forward to the 'stretching' conversation with him ....

MarilynMoanroe · 09/08/2013 20:40

I've been told that ballooning is ok if not causing infections etc.

I had a lengthy discussion with a surgeon and he sent me some papers all about foreskins (what joy!)

I'll dig it out later and post what it says.

IWillOnlyEatBeans · 10/08/2013 07:32

Thanks Marilyn

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TheAccidentalExhibitionist · 10/08/2013 07:43

My son has just had surgery on his willy for a tight unretractable foreskin.

Our GP advised on gently pulling the foreskin back but he has never been able to do it even once. After two serious episodes of balanitis he got referred to a paediatric urologist and given steroid cream to put on daily when stretching the foreskin.

That also never worked either so this week he had a posthoplasty where they make a vertical incision into the foreskin and detach it from the frenulum. He has stitches but still has his foreskin.

I'm not sure it would have worked in my sons case but I wish we'd got my son to practice retracting his foreskin from a relatively young age.

3birthdaybunnies · 10/08/2013 08:00

Should probably n/c to protect ds, but another favourite of his is rather than attempt to retract, to simply pull the tip and see how far it will go (if you're interested the answer is surprisingly far)- makes dh's eyes water but ds seems to enjoy it. After dh's experience we try not to restrict too much except in public. He prefers to play on the potty, I think when standing up to wee he is in more of a hurry and when seated on the toilet he's more concerned with not falling in! In the bath he gets a few eughs from his sisters, but I imagine in a more matcho environment it could be more fun. Hope your ds has a speedy recovery AccidentalExhibitionist. My understanding too is that it does need addressing before the 'first performance' as otherwise it might be trapped for a while in the open position which apparently is very painful.

MarilynMoanroe · 10/08/2013 13:08

Ok, this is going to be long as I've found the foreskin docs the consultant surgeon sent me years ago.

My DS1 was referred at aged 3 as his foreskin was unable to pull back at all. It was so tight and he'd balloon every time when weeing. The consultant we were referred to was of the opinion that unless symptoms such as infections are occurring then to leave well alone.

Now my DS1 is 12 and over the years, it has almost rectified itself.

This is what I've taken from the literature the consultant sent me:

Circumcision
At birth the foreskin is firmly attached to the end of the penis. The inside layer of the foreskin and the end of the penis (the glans) have developed separately but become firmly stuck before birth. It has been suggested that this happens to protect the delicate tissues of the glans from the damages of nappy rash in the first few years of life.

In some adults the the end of the foreskin becomes scarred and can no longer be pulled back over the glans. This is called phimosis from the Greek word which means: to muzzle. In many cultures it became standard to remove the foreskin at or soon after birth and this operation is called circumcision. In the days before anaesthetics it must have been a lot simpler to and less hazardous to both patient (and surgeon!) to perform this operation on a baby than on young adult.

It varies a bit from race to race but it estimated that between 5 and 10 percent of men will need a circumcision at some time and the most common cause for the tightness is scarring of the foreskin which is known medically as ballanitis xerotica obliterans (BXO). This condition affects young adults and is rare before the age of ten and almost unheard of under the age of five.

In the past it was thought that if the foreskin was a bit tight in childhood this predisposed to the condition of BXO and surgeons were taught that if in doubt a circumcision was best idea. More recent studies have shown that the diseases are distinct. A GP on a small Danish island looked each year at all the boys in his care and found little overlap between conditions. Almost all the children that went on to get BXO had normal retractile foreskin in early life and this Danish doctor even suggested that regular retraction of the foreskin in early life might predispose to problems later on. Furthermore the traditional view that it should go back by the age of five was also questioned. Many children could not fully retract their foreskin until 12 years old but the foreskin was normal in adult life.

Problems
Too tight - if a child has BXO a circumcision will almost always be needed but just occasionally a preputioplasty will suffice. However most children who are referred because the skin is "too tight" have a normal foreskin that will not go back because the foreskin is still stuck to the glans.

Infections - Our bodies are constantly shedding dead skin cells, if you scrub yourself after a bath you will see the dead cells come off from the live cells below. Under the foreskin are two layers of cells and dead cells are shed into this closed space. The amount of cells shed increases after the age of six or seven and around this age children may present with a little cyst of dead skin in the groove between the foreskin and the glans. This dead skin is at body temperature but until the foreskin starts to separate from the glans the skin is sterile and causes no problems. However as the foreskin begins to retract, somewhere between the age of 2 and 12, germs can get into this pool of dead skin and cause an infection. This is normal and probably helps in the process of separation. Most boys have two or three episodes of such infection and these usually settle in a couple of days. The healing can be speeded up with bathing. Sometimes a short course of antibiotics may be prescribed by the GP.

Ballooning - As a boy grows he will pass more and more water and be able to pass it faster and faster. This may result in ballooning of the foreskin as water is passed. As a young surgeon I was taught that ballooning of the foreskin was abnormal and an indication for an operation. This is no longer thought to be true. It may be that the ballooning helps to separate the layers and clean out the dead skin between the glans and the foreskin.

MarilynMoanroe · 10/08/2013 13:20

I left my post there as it was so long and the info goes on to explain all the options and operations that can be performed. The surgeon also sent to me the findings by the late Sir James Spence, Professor of Paediatrics in Newcastle, re the debate of the need of circumcision.

I like the last coupe of paragraphs:

"What looks like a pin point opening at 7 months will become a wide channel of communication at 17.

Nature is a possessive mistress, and whatever mistakes she makes about the structure of the less essential organs such as the brain and stomach, in which she is not much interested, you can be sure that she knows best about the genital organs..."

I would suggest that if in doubt, get checked out but there is no harm in having information that can be reassuring when waiting for appointments etc.

IWillOnlyEatBeans · 10/08/2013 15:04

Thank you so much for taking the time to post all of that info. It is very reassuring!

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YoniBottsBumgina · 10/08/2013 15:40

I agree - thank you Marilyn. That makes sense relating to a lot of things I have read, and also answers the question of why some doctors appear to consider it a problem and others do not.

I can confirm it is normal for the foreskin to not retract until 12ish as DP was really shocked to hear that DS could pull his back at 4; he could not until he was 12 and assumed that was normal.

YoniBottsBumgina · 10/08/2013 15:48

(I have bookmarked this page for future reference too - hope you don't mind! :))

MarilynMoanroe · 10/08/2013 16:11

Your both very welcome.

I'm glad you both found it of use.

IWillOnlyEatBeans · 01/04/2014 10:46

Just wanted to update on this.

Took DS to GP, armed with video of his ballooning willy. GP agreed that there was cause for concern. We were referred to paediatrician who prescribed steroid cream and stretching exercises. Currently on day 8, should apparently start to see results after 10 days...

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cannotfindausername · 03/05/2014 21:16

Hi IWillOnlyEatBeans
My DS has been looked at and recommended to have a procedure done to stretch it and if that fails to have circumcision. The steroid cream and stretching exercises option wasn't offered?! Just wondering how your DS is getting on with it and if it has made a difference. We've just received his hospital appointment letter so want to query it if this might be a better option to start with. Thanks.

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