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Bugsy are you back?

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sykes · 30/06/2003 17:05

Wondered how you survived/enjoyed the holiday and how things are generally? Hope you managed to relax/recuperate at least a tiny bit.

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M2T · 17/09/2003 11:45

Oh Bugsy... I'm agreeing with everyone here. He had his chance.... TOO MANY CHANCES! And he's blew them all in spectacular style.

You MUST see that he's only crawling back coz she's out of the country!?? Sad, but true

He hasnb't even finished with her... how can you possibly consider letting him move back in. Tell him to f*ck off!

How have you been feeling since you started the antidepressants? Do feel any better?

Please please please don't let him take advantage of you and manipulate you again. Be strong, he's offering false hope to improve his current situation. For that he is weak, sick and selfish!

EmmaTMG · 17/09/2003 12:04

No No No No No No No.........you have done so well in staying calm with his appalling behaviour, and yet he still thinks it's all okay and hasn't finished it with her before trying to put things right with you.

I know that I am nowhere near as straight thinking as you Bugsy but if my DH had done or said half the things that your H has done I would not even concider a reunion. I admire you for the whole way you have conducted yourself through this horrible situation. IMO he REALLY does not deserve another chance regardless of whether she's still about or not, as many others have said he's now 'testing the waters' with you because she's back in the US and wants the best of both worlds. I simply couldn't trust my DH not to do it again if we were in your situation. Sorry I know thats harsh, I truelly hope you find an answer amongst the dozens, if not hundreds, of replies you'll get here on Musnet.

tigermoth · 17/09/2003 12:26

quick message - agree with the others. If you feel strong enough, you can always try reconciliation from a distance - make sure he lives away from you but go to counselling and do some family things together and just see how it goes. There's not rush it there? take things slowly and see what happens, but don't let him get too close too soon. I will write more soon. I have been in a similar situation with a boyfriend, with a happy ending and reconciliation in the end.

sykes · 17/09/2003 12:27

Bugsy - good to hear from you, but so sorry he's complicating things yet again. I can honestly say that I really wouldn't want my h back now and wouldn't think about allowing him to upset, destroy and confuse everyone again. My dds really don't need it. And to come back for how long? It's a desperate cheek that he's not even finished with the tart and, in my experience, unless it's completely over there is absolutely no hope/chance in any kind of reconciliation. I understand why you may consider having him back as it's SO hard and you think it might work out. But could you really ever forgive/trust him again. He should be on his knees begging not even mentioning the tart. And, according to my therapist, he should be on his own for at least six months - letting him back into your life again with so many unresolved issues and so much hurt would just hurt you and the children yet again. He's got a bloody cheek. V angry woman. Are you still on for the 27th?

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tigermoth · 17/09/2003 16:53

bugsy, just to add on to my last message now I have a little more time: I think your answer to your dh was exactly right. By suggesting counselling you are not closing the door on him but also not letting him into your life as before. He really has to prove himself.

One thing to ask yourself, if you have not done so already - how easy is it for your dh ot live alone right now. I mean in a practical sense. Has he enough money to rent a flat and enough knowledge to cook and clean for himself - or hire a cleaner/ live on takeaways. If the staying with a friend arangement is not working out for him, has your dh got the means to be independnent?

If he has, and he is still sayig he wants to move back in with you all then IMO there might be a glimmer of a chance he wants to give things another go.

If he is so happy with his girlfriend, why would he put that relationship in jeopardy by moving back in with you? He's already made the painful break after all. How does he think his girlfriend will not find out where he is living? You could tell her at any time.

From his point of view, moving back complicates things so his motives might not be all selfish. If you think 1. it is simply a money issue or 2. he is very mean and doesn't want to spend money on rent or 3. he hasn't the maturity to give a t* about anyone, including his girlfriend then think the worse.

If you feel there is more to it, then there could be a good reason for buildikng some bridges with him so as well as suggesting counselling, could you invite him round for family days, go out alone with him, etc whatever you feel ok with. Just give him a chance to prove his intentions and explain this is what it is. If he declines then you'll know where you stand and ther is definitly no reason to think about him moving back. And you'll never be worried that you did not give him this last chance. It may just be that the first novelty of his relationship has worn off by now. Byut that of course doesn;t mean you will ever accept him back with open arms.

Pre children I broke up with a live in boyfriend (now ex boyfriend but that's a different story). He started seing someone else. I was just getting along by myself when he said he wanted to come back. At the time (a confusing time) he was still seeing the other woman (but not for long). My friends were against me giving it a second chance, protecting me from further hurt. I was out on a limb when I agreed to give things another go. It took a lot of time and he had to prove over and over again that he loved me, but eventually we built up a strong relationship again.

I do not know what you should do and totally agree with the other messages that your dh has been horrible to you so there is little reason to trust him, but thought I'd put this viewpoint across to give you another angle on things.

Bozza · 17/09/2003 17:04

But tigermoth couldn't he just spin the girlfriend a line about helpless Bugsy is (obviously not true) and how they are living separate lives and he is just doing it for the children because he is so caring etc etc. I really think that, Bugsy, you answered your own question in your initial post and a reconciliation should be on your terms or not at all.

Tigermoth is right that it is going to cost your family financially but nothing compared to the huge emotional cost already expended.

Bugsy2 · 17/09/2003 20:06

Thank you all for your very helpful advice and useful insights. He is really laying it on with spades at the moment. Assuring me that he wants to be a family again, take us all on holiday, share happy times together etc. He has said that he is sorry and that he really, really loves me - blah, blah, blah. Words are so easy.
I suppose the most fundamental problem I have is that I'm not actually sure I want him back. I keep thinking to myself that by saying 6 months am I actually playing for time when I should just tell him its over.
Anyway, I know you guys can't make my mind up for me. Wish you could!
Thank you all again.

beetroot · 17/09/2003 20:39

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Marina · 17/09/2003 20:42

Just another vote in favour of keeping the new locks on the house safely in place - and agree with everyone that he needs to give you some space and time to decide whether you are going to allow him back in to your life and at what level. Bugsy, you have been so strong and focussed on your children in this, you really are a 5 star fem and a gem as well (spent a few secs looking at Sobernow's inspired typo and wondering if it was some hip new term for magnificent woman). What a sad twerp he is to have let this all slip through his hands.

Batters · 18/09/2003 08:55

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tigermoth · 18/09/2003 13:54

after reading your second post, I definitely think you should take your time whatever you do. It's not as if you are refusing to see him. Take care!

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