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This is very serious and I am very sad

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janh · 08/05/2003 22:20

When DS1 (14) came home from school today he told me that there had been an "incident" on the railway line, 200 yds away - someone had stepped in front of a train. This was about 4pm. We talked about it and thought it was sad but that was all.

About 7pm, next-door-neighbour's son asked if we had seen his dad, Tom. He had gone out for a walk about 3.30. Tom has been suffering from cyclical depression - 6-7 years - he just went into the current cycle about 6 weeks ago and was due to start ECT today.

You can see where I'm going, can't you? The body on the railway line was Tom. We are all totally devastated. Both my DS's are gutted and it is hard to esplain to them - when Tom's son asked, in all innocence, if we had seen his dad, we just gaped at each other, having put 2 + 2 together in about 2 seconds. Apparently he had twice tried to take an overdose in the last couple of weeks so he was feeling pretty desperate.

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willow2 · 09/05/2003 09:54

Oh God. I am sitting here and every hair on my body is standing on end. That is so very, very sad. My heart goes out to your neighbour and her family.

willow2 · 09/05/2003 09:54

... and to you and yours too.

WideWebWitch · 09/05/2003 10:00

Janh, how sad, so sorry.

ninja · 09/05/2003 10:00

How horrible, there's nothing else to say. - whatever we're going through we just have to feel lucky

winnie1 · 09/05/2003 10:09

Jahn, how awful... poor man and his poor family. What awful, awful news... what a terible shock. Thinking of you all.

sb34 · 09/05/2003 10:36

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Mo2 · 09/05/2003 10:43

This is so sad. Whenever I hear about situations like this it just makes me want to rush home and cuddle dh/ds1&ds2 tightly. I dread something happening to a member of my family.
As someone else said, do try to offer support in whatever way seems appropriate - even just by being around.
Thinking of you all
Mo2 xx

Marina · 09/05/2003 10:50

Jan, just logged on this morning. Just wanted to say how very sorry I was to hear your news. I'm sure just having caring neighbours like you and your family will help Tom's son and his family through what is going to be a very difficult time. Big cyberhugs to you, you are always so kind when thinking of others on this site.

Clarinet60 · 09/05/2003 10:53

Thinking of you too, Janh. How awful for you all.

layla · 09/05/2003 12:08

Jahn,Marina has said it all.Those poor poor people.

janh · 09/05/2003 14:15

Thank you all so much for your kind words and thoughts. I haven't yet seen Tom's wife Ann, my DH suggested that I shouldn't go round last night because I was a bit tired and emotional, I was at work until 1.30 today and rang the bell then (stomach churning) but no-one answered.

Sorry, I should have said initially that Tom was nearly 60 and his 2 sons are 25 and 29, so not little lads any more but of course no less upset for that - the younger son lives away and my DS saw him arriving last night in tears.

I really will do my very best to listen and help, we have always got on very well but they are local and have lots of friends so won't be short of people to talk to. We live in a terrace and it's funny how rarely you see your next-door neighbours, unless you're both outside - in fact apparently on Wed evening, when DH brought DD2 home from band practice, Tom was standing outside, and she heard him saying to DH that the depression was much much worse this time than before; I was surprised to hear that he was outside then as it was dark...who knows what's been going through his mind?

DS1 slept badly last night and was subdued this morning, but seemed OK. DS2 started out sad and thoughtful but livened up as younger kids can. DD1 (in Leeds) had heard about first the suicide and then Tom's disappearance from DS1 so she went through it with us - DD2 had been at work all evening (waiting on) and knew nothing about Tom until she came home. I have been trying really hard all morning not to think about it but can't help it, the knowledge just keeps creeping around the edges of my consciousness, I'm hoping it will have been easier for the boys to ignore it.

DS2 said this morning "what if Tom hadn't gone for that walk?" so I had to tell him that when somebody feels so bad they can't see any hope ahead they get very determined to die and if not one way then they will find another, like pills or something.

He did have his ECT yesterday morning and should have been kept in after it (and always when he was given it last time he was depressed he was very groggy and drowsy) but insisted on coming home and I don't think they can legally make someone stay without sectioning them? I can imagine all the "what if's" going through Ann's mind.

And we don't know for certain that it really was suicide, although the 2 previous attempts lately do seem to point that way; I wonder whether he even really knew who he was or where he was - there are houses now across the road but before they were built there were allotments there, and Tom used to have one, and at that time trains only ran up that line twice a day, the regular Sprinter service was only reintroduced a few years ago...I don't know what effect ECT has on the brain, could he have been in a different time in his head and looking for his allotment or just aimlessly wandering on the line not expecting a train?

It is a terrible waste, he was a lovely man, he was a landscape gardener and used to work dawn till dusk all year round (which possibly wasn't a good idea, he hadn't had a holiday for years and used to stand at the window and fret on really wet days that stopped him working, but nobody could make him stop), he always came home for his tea at 5.30 and went out again at 6.30, you could set your watch by him, if DH was around he would always have a lovely dirty joke for him. Still can't believe he's gone.

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Rhubarb · 09/05/2003 15:30

Oh Janh, you must be going through a tough time yourselves! It seems so shocking that a life can suddenly be snuffed out, it makes us realise just how fragile we all are. My dh's cousin committed suicide when he was a teenager, she suffered from depression and had attempted suicide several times. The day she died she had taken an overdose and locked herself in her aunt's bathroom (who lives just across from dh's parents). Apparently the ambulance people were trying to get her to open the door, but there was nothing they could do to force her, so her family had to sit back knowing that she was dying in there.
It hit dh really hard as she was his favourite cousin and someone he really looked up to. Even now he finds it hard to talk about her and the only time I have ever seen him cry is when he was reliving that day. I think that part of his drug-taking and subsequent breakdown was the effect her suicide had on him.
The tragedy of suicides is the effect it has on the family. It's devestating. All you can do Janh is to be there if she and her sons need you to be. Don't avoid talking to her as I'm sure plenty of people will be doing, as it is so hard to talk to someone who has just suffered a bereavement. Is there a suicide helpline or support group that you could put her in touch with? I'm sure it would help later on to talk to people who have been through the same sort of thing.
It is a terrible thing to happen. Sending you lots of cyber-hugs Janh. xx

mammya · 09/05/2003 17:02

Jan, I'm so sorry. I really don't know what else to say. {{{hugs{}}}}

crystaltips · 09/05/2003 17:12

Janh - how horrid for you all. It's very sad when these things happen. It's times like these when you want to keep the ones you love very close. XOX
Thinking of you

Tigger2 · 09/05/2003 19:50

Janh, thoughts are with you, this poor man must have been completely beyond himself. Very hard to explain, to a child, you will manage though.

Tigger XXXXX

Chinchilla · 09/05/2003 19:56

Just a note. Unfortunately Cruse has had to shut down, due to a lack of volunteers to run the office side of things. My mum is a counsellor for them, and is continuing to counsel people already on the waiting list, but the list was closed for new people from 1st May.

Demented · 09/05/2003 20:52

Janh don't really know what to say either, it's a difficult situation. Thinking of you all.

monkey · 09/05/2003 20:53

Just read your post janh, very sorry to hear the sad news. I'll be thinking of you and praying you get the strength you need to guide your own kids through this as well as be able to offer support to Ann & her sons.

sis · 10/05/2003 19:36

Janh, so very sorry to read what has happened - my thoughts are with you, your family and Tom's family.
sis

lucy123 · 10/05/2003 19:59

Janh - just read this. What an awful thing to have to explain to children. Sounds like you did it as well as possible though.

thinking of you.

happyspider · 10/05/2003 20:10

Janh
that is really so sad I don't have words. I am nearly crying and I did not even know the people involved, so I can imagine how it can be for you.

His son will need a lot of support as this will be an awful time and his feel and will be unfortunately with him for the rest of his life.

Bozza · 10/05/2003 22:31

Just to echo what everyone else has said JanH - my thoughts are with you and your family and neighbours. What an awful shock.

Rosy · 10/05/2003 22:44

My thoughts are with you and your family. Rx.

LazyDaisy · 10/05/2003 23:43

Janh, just a quick note to say how tragic this is and I really feel for you and your family. I know first hand how depression can affect people but have had a couple of glasses of wine now so not really able to write anything coherent but will add later

best wishes to you all

Take care xxx

janh · 11/05/2003 21:09

Oh, damn, this is so frustrating, I just wrote a really long reply to everybody here and then accidentally deleted it.

Rhubarb, I am so sorry about your DH's cousin, I spoke to someone else today who had lost a teenage relative to suicide and it seems so much harder when it's`someone so young.

Ann and her sons are coping OK so far - maybe it will hit them harder once the funeral etc is all over with. Ann's GP has said that in his experience it all goes flat after 2 weeks or so, when the funeral is past and people stop coming, so I have told Ann to let me know whenever she feels alone.

Still can't believe he's`gone though - they can't either. It will take a long time. But apparently he had made it clear that he was very keen to go - after one of his overdoses they talked about it at A & E and he told them he had no hope.

My boys seem to be OK, after the first couple of days, but I am watching them, especially DS1.

DH may have to miss the funeral, it's his mum's 80th next weekend and he and his sister are taking her to Belfast to visit her relations, so I may have to go without him.

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