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ANY TEACHERS CURRENTLY ON MATERNITY LEAVE - OR ABOUT TO START IT?

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popsycal · 30/09/2004 20:20

A few questions.....
SHout if you are please
tia

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popsycal · 05/10/2004 21:28

I am going to give these TIGER people a call tomorrow

will report back

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Rowlers · 05/10/2004 21:31

Go Popsy!
You're a one-man-band tonight!
I have been reading and will check back tomorrow to see the latest.
Just wanted you to know you're not alone!

popsycal · 05/10/2004 21:32

thank you!
thought i saw a tumble weed rolling slowly by before you posted

lol

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sammac · 05/10/2004 21:32

The TIGER site looks best. We are different to other employees because of the 195 days(exactly the same here btw) I think it is to do with when you are getting full pay- what months would that be for you?

popsycal · 05/10/2004 21:34

i will probably start maternity on 10th jan....get full pay for 4 weeks, then 90% for the next 2.....
probably wont cut into half term then....

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popsycal · 05/10/2004 21:36

but if i worked into until 17th jan, it would cut into half term....

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sammac · 05/10/2004 21:40

Don't think you'll get it for half term as it's not stautory like christmas/new year

popsycal · 05/10/2004 21:41

I know

At the end of the day, I just want some sort of explantion - a feasible one - why everyone else can accrue their holiday entitlement during maternity leave yet teachers can't.

The 'we are different' argument just doesn't sit well with me. Why can't we accrue what is seen as 'average' holidays for this period???

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sammac · 05/10/2004 21:45

You're right- doesn't seem right. Part of the problem is that we are so detached from payroll/hr and no-one in school has a clue- including us, so you have to find it out yourself. Which is the last thing you need when your head is mushy- not, of course, that yours is ( but mines was ) I had big time baby brain- and was glad to stop.

sis · 05/10/2004 22:36

Okay, now you are confusing me even more - Sammac, statutory holidays are four weeks per year for every worker - bank holidays are only statutory for those working in a bank - there is no *statutory right for other workers to have a paid day off on bank holidays. So, aas I understand it, Easter, Christmas, half terms etc are all part of the contractual entitlement and you should get half of the holidays which fall in your maternity leave period and two weeks (half of the statutory four weeks per year) if you take the additional maternity leave of six months.

popsycal · 06/10/2004 19:59

Right I rang ACAS and they said that because our holidays are fixed we cant accrue ANY holiday - not even bank holiday. The implication was that I should be grateful as I get 13 weeks per year and would still get 6.5 weeks.....

JUst off to email DH's employment solicitor friend!

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popsycal · 08/10/2004 18:56

and here is the final answer......as copied from the email!

The question of annual leave entitlement during maternity leave is (as you now know!) a complicated one - the answer depends on whether you take ordinary maternity leave only, or ordinary plus additional maternity leave.

As you already know, whilst on ordinary maternity leave ("OML") (ie the first 26 weeks), you have the statutory right to continue to benefit from all of your existing contractual rights other than pay. This means that you will continue to accrue annual leave and on your return to work you will have accrued the same number of days' leave as you would have had if you had not been on OML.

During additional maternity leave ("AML") (ie a further 26 weeks leave for women with sufficient continuous service), the position is different - only certain contractual rights will continue to apply (unless otherwise agreed). The contractual right to accrue holiday entitlement is not one of those that will continue to apply during AML under the Maternity Regulations. Consequently, you would not continue to accrue holidays during AML unless otherwise agreed with your employer.

However, recent case law suggests that you might still accrue your statutory holiday entitlement under the Working Time Regulations (ie 4 weeks per holiday year, inclusive of bank holidays). This is quite a controversial view, though, and is currently the subject of argument at the Court of Appeal.

However, you would not have the right:

  • to pay in lieu of any unused holidays (other than on the termination of your employment); or

  • to carry over accrued holiday entitlement from one holiday year to the next

unless your contract of employment specifically allows it (which, seeing as you're a teacher, I doubt!). Therefore, if your maternity leave spans the end of a holiday year and the beginning of a new one, any days leave that accrue in the earlier holiday year would normally lapse as you moved into the next holiday year.

Any holiday which does accrue during maternity leave would have to be taken in accordance with your employer's usual rules on holidays (which presumably for a teacher would be that leave can only be taken in school holidays).

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popsycal · 08/10/2004 18:56

so........
any clearer ladies!!!??

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popsycal · 08/10/2004 19:18

so it seems that we can accure holiday...but it has to be taken in school holidays!!!!
WTF

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fisil · 08/10/2004 19:33

Right. Good.

I feel like I'm taking my lunch breaks during the holidays. I worked it out - I get no break during the day at all. Most people would take, let's say, an hour a day. So I work 195 days a year, that means I have 195 hours, or 22 days of lunch hours owing to me a year. (this is how I justify leaving ds in nursery during the hols when I just want some time to myself!)

popsycal · 08/10/2004 19:39

hey 0 we ought to start a MN teachers campaign about acrruing hols!
lol

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pixiefish · 08/10/2004 19:44

Thanks for that popsy

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