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Our new dog ..... advice from experienced owners please.!

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oxocube · 09/09/2004 12:19

We got our new dog from a rescue centre last Saturday. He is a blond lab cross - don't know what he's crossed with but he has a look of greyhound about him. I've just realised how little we actually know about dogs as we've always had cats! Can anyone recommend any good books which discuss dog psychology as well as the more practical aspects of caring for a dog?

Also, what do you feed your dogs? The science mixes seem very expensive, although our dog does seem to prefer them to the Pedigree Chum food which is half the price! Does it make a huge difference to their health?

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smellymelly · 10/09/2004 15:00

By the way in the UK, if we get a rescue dog they are automatically castrated/spade, if from a large rescue centre.

oxocube · 10/09/2004 15:02

No problem, Smellymelly! My post was probably a little misleading anyway - the book I was talking about re 'practical dog care' is for my 9 year old son who is very involved in walking, feeding and caring for Skunk. The psychology stuff is for me!

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oxocube · 10/09/2004 15:06

The cats were automatically neutered and not sure about bitches, but the common opinion here seems to be that unless the dog is very dominant and agressive, or is constantly marking territory or chasing females, it is better not to neuter. I am a little surprised at this advice and worried that as Skunk has at least an hour a day off the lead and in contact with other dogs, he (or I) could be responsible for unwanted pups.

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fio2 · 10/09/2004 15:42

our dogs eat chappie

Chandra · 10/09/2004 15:54

OOoops! didn't know about IAMS/Eukanuba vivisection and have been feeding the dogs with IAMS for many years... Gues is tme for JamesWellBeloved food, anybody know any nasty stories about them?

5 years ago there was some research about pet foods and in one they chose two puppy briother and one was feed with cheap food and the other one with top of the range food, and they had photos taken at different stages of the first year, when they were 1 yr old you could not believe they were brothers, they loed so different though they were almost identical as puppies (it's more than five years since then so...no, I can't quote the source)

Titania · 10/09/2004 16:02

sorry chandra!

Chandra · 10/09/2004 16:06

Oh no , what do I feed them then? any suggestions? I don't have much time to cook for them and sadly our scraps are not really healthy either...

CountessDracula · 10/09/2004 16:06

I think it's mean giving a dog dried food only. They love meat etc. It's like feeding a human on crisps only. I know it's convenient etc but it's horrible.

suedonim · 10/09/2004 16:06

Gosh, that's awful about Iams. I've only occasionally bought it in the past and will never buy it again. I can't help wonder why they need to test pet food, I must admit. Animals live perfectly well in the wild on whatever they can find and I find it hard to believe your ordinary cat/dog is any healthier on specialise foods.

CountessDracula · 10/09/2004 16:07

It's really easy to cook for them if you do it twice a week, cook up lots of cheap meat (ask the butcher to save you leftovers, slightly past date etc). Keep in fridge and give them vegetables, potatoes, any leftover rice/pasta etc

CountessDracula · 10/09/2004 16:08

oh and i always keep frozen mince and packs of frozen mixed veg in freezer for emergencies too. And tins of cheap tuna in the larder which she loves

Branster · 10/09/2004 16:08

i thimk with ready made pet food there is a big question mark as regards the ingredients and additives taht are being used. there is an incredibly large number of pets developimg cancer and this makes me wonder how much of it is down to their diet, and also their exposure to household chemicals etc.
if you can be bothered to cook for your new dog oxocube i can post a message on here with some suggestions.
i admit i prefer dry food for convenience though. there are some organic pet foods on the market but i haven't heard any feed back on that. i personally wouldn't go with the 'science' foods, but that is a very, very personal choice.
lucky, lucky doggy you've got! how exciting!!!

CountessDracula · 10/09/2004 16:11

Apparantly Nature Diet is one of the better ones (a complete food but it's wet, meat and veggies and rice in a tray), but they ALL use oxidised oils which are terribly carcinogenic. Our vet who is wonderful hippie herbalist, homeopath etc as well as vet says that it is really bad to give dogs dried food.

Gingerbear · 10/09/2004 16:18

another chappie dog here too. But his breath stinks!

Gingerbear · 10/09/2004 16:20

our dog will do gymnastics for tinned tuna.
He also loves raw carrot and broccoli instead of treats.

oxocube · 10/09/2004 18:23

And I thought choosing Skunk's food would be the easy part . What about a mixture of the dried stuff which I will have to use as I bought a 15 kg bag, with cooked veg, meat and fish added? Presumably I would have to adjust the quantity of dried food depending on how much fresh was added. At this rate, my dog will end up eating beter than my kids

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oxocube · 10/09/2004 18:24

Oh and Branster, I would love some doggy recipes please!

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Branster · 10/09/2004 18:33

will do tonight oxocube as i have to put dd to bed now and make tea, do the dishes , ironing, water the garden etc etc etc.

oxocube · 10/09/2004 18:36

Will check in later after I've taken kids to swimming lesson, cooked dinner, washed up, picked up kids and before I walk the dog
Thanks again xxx

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Branster · 10/09/2004 22:22

Still haven't done the ironing but I can't be bothered. I?d rather talk about dogs

The main principle you need to remember when preparing your dog's complete food is that it needs to be divided in
1/3 meat or other foods containing animal protein
1/3 cereals (rice, corn derived products, some sort of cooked grains really)
1/3 vegetables and fruit either cooked or raw.

As the dog gets older and less active the quantity of animal protein needs to be reduced.

Meat: anything really, if beef it is absolutely fine to give it raw,otherwise boiled chicken etc , fish with no bones at all (tinned is perfect). Cooked offal is fine too, but do not give it raw as it can infect the dog as they often carry parasites.

Eggs: egg whites must always be cooked (boiled), but egg yolk can be mixed in raw with the food.

Diary products: best to use things like plain yogurt, cottage cheese, bland stuff. I'd recommend avoiding plain milk as it often causes sickness (don't know why but I've seen it happening several times).

Cereals: weetabix soaked in water is fine, any kind of boiled rice is perfect for dogs, corn meal also a good option.

Vegetables: carrots are especially good for dogs as they help to prevent constipation, plus they have vitamins. Grated raw is best mixed with the rest of the food. A whole carrot is good for teeth but it often does not digest properly. Do not give potatoes, peas and beans as prolonged use can lead to skin disorders.

Bones: as mentioned earlier, get your local butcher to cut a big beef bone for your dog, removing the ends (the softer part of the bone it can irritate the stomach causing vomiting), boil it for at least 30 min and your dog will be really grateful (not advised of course if the dog suffers with bad teeth). No chicken or lamb bones are ever to be given as they splinter easily and can perforate the stomach. For chewing you can also offer a small very dry white french baguette. It helps to clean teeth.

Do not add anything to the food (sauces, salt, sugar etc). It is perfectly normal to give the dog scraps from your own meal. Just make sure it is plain food , keep it in the fridge and mix it with his food at meal times.

You should add a small quantity of fat to the food ,in moderation. For a glossy coat add a spoonful of vegetable/olive oil for a large dog mixed with the food. Or give 1 capsule of evening primrose oil/day.

No chocolate, sweets, cakes, nuts, sauces, mayonnaise etc. Keep it simple.

One other word of advice although I know lots of people disagree for some strange reason: your dog does not need to take more than 2-3 baths a year. Use a shampoo recommended by the vet and whatever you do, do not buy one from the supermarket or any other kind of shop. Because it spoils its fur a great deal and ends up with dry skin. Brush DAILY (if short haired, you can finish of with a small shammy leather to make it look better, otherwise a damp cloth at the end takes off all the remaining dust or loose hairs). But of course plain water is fine all the time. You might get away with just washing its feet. It depends how smelly it gets! Nothing worse than a smelly dog unfortunately.

I hope I haven?t forgotten anything. Sorry it?s such a long post?in essence it is really easy , you?ll see.

Did you enjoy your walk?!

CountessDracula · 10/09/2004 22:58

Great post Branster!

We give ours 4 capsules of fish oil a day as well, which helps with joints, coat etc

oxocube · 11/09/2004 07:59

Wow, Branster! Thanks so much for taking the time to post I'm going to go doggy shopping today with my list of ingredients so I'll let you know how I get on! The walk was lovely thanks. In fact, have just got back from this morning's. I don't think I've ever walked so much in my life! Last night, we walked in the woods with our neighbour and her ridgeback which was fun. The two dogs seem to like each other and raced around like mad things, sniffing for rabbits! I think I am becoming a real dog bore but I love it

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louee · 11/09/2004 09:31

My Dog is a gsd so obviously food is an extremely important part of his diet .He's a huge dog and very very active . Mostly he's fed Iams but on the odd occasion hes given james well beloved, but I've always said give your dog whatever they enjoy ,although dry food is best always. My Dh and I have always been experienced dog owners and even though my dog is 6 he is the most obedient dog In my village . (training classes and alot of patience)A happy dog is a healthy dog. Good luck with skunk and enjoy

Branster · 11/09/2004 09:50

Phew! I'm glad you found it useful...

I forgot to mention pasta shapes, they're good to mix with some protein (cheese,meat or fish) just boiled in plain water and drained.

And one word of advice, although I'm sure you're aware of this: best not to allow the children near the dog whilst he's chewing a bone. You never know how it may react and it's better to be safe that sorry.

You're not becoming a dog bore. Dog are such fantastic animals! I absolutely adore them!

And the walks are great too, even when the weather is bad, it really makes you feel better for getting out of the house and doing dome exercise.

Goldfish · 11/09/2004 10:03

Hi glad you got your dog oxocube. I agree, Branster, having a dog does you good with all the walking. I got one of those pedometers and I do way over the 10,OOO steps you are supposed to do. And I also find we go to places we wouldn't normally think of if you didn't have a dog. We live 5 minutes ffom the sea and hardly bothered with going there before we had a dog, but I go down there all the time now. The kids walk a lot more too, which can only be a good thing.

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