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calling grammar queens - 'a or an'

35 replies

katierocket · 13/08/2004 15:04

an hostile environment or a hostile environment?
such a simple thing and I can't remember the exact rules. Doh.

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Titania · 13/08/2004 15:05

an if the next word that follows begins with a vowel. a for everything else.

Titania · 13/08/2004 15:06

so a hostile environment

katierocket · 13/08/2004 15:09

that's what I thought but isn't there some weird thing to do with the letter 'h'? or if it sounds like a vowel because is silent consonant? (or am I making that up!)

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Titania · 13/08/2004 15:12

dont think so

JanH · 13/08/2004 15:13

if the h is silent - eg honour - it's an.

KateandtheGirls · 13/08/2004 15:13

Yes, but with hostile you do pronounce the h, so it is a hostile environment.

If it was an honourary award it would be an, because the h is silent.

KateandtheGirls · 13/08/2004 15:13

Crossed posts Jan!

katierocket · 13/08/2004 15:15

aha - thank you!

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MrsFogi · 13/08/2004 15:17

a hostile environment (as you pronounce the h)
an honour (as you don't)
but an hotel (when writing as in theory you shouldn't pronounce the h however when speaking a hotel or you sound a bit snobby saying "an 'otel" unless you really are French and have trouble with "hs" not to meantion your "ths"

Titania · 13/08/2004 15:18

oh i forgot about that! sorry....tablets making me groggy!

KateandtheGirls · 13/08/2004 15:19

Really Mrs Fogi? I had never heard that. An hotel just doesn't look right to me at all.

katierocket · 13/08/2004 15:22

I'm confused by the 'an hotel' rule. Am I being really dim today or what

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Titania · 13/08/2004 15:25

an hotel??

jampot · 13/08/2004 15:26

whilst on th subject of strange english can anyone explain the pronunciation of ratio vs patio?

mummysurfer · 13/08/2004 15:29

what about this lot jampot?

trough
tough
though
through

Titania · 13/08/2004 15:30

oh crikey...this is too much for my frazzled head!!

jampot · 13/08/2004 15:31

it just exagerates how lazy the british are as a nation towards learning foreign languages. A lot of foreigners speak ours and its soooo confusing

tammybear · 13/08/2004 15:38

i think mrsfogi meant when you're writing it, you should put a hotel, but when you're speaking it, people can be lazy and say it "an hotel" or "an 'otel"

no answers for jampots or mummysurfers though. thats too much for my brain!!

edam · 13/08/2004 15:44

Actually saying "an 'otel" is v. posh (although very old-fashioned). Always written 'a hotel' though.

MrsFogi · 13/08/2004 15:46

I didn't mean to start a big discussion on this (and I was wrong so now stand corrected and write "an hotel"!The only reason I thought of it was because I had a big row with my boss about it (he's very interested in grammar!).(not to mention the terrible punctuation preceding this parenthesis).
What I meant to say was -
when writing ... an hotel
when speaking ...a hotel (or an 'otel if you can carry it off)

KateandtheGirls · 13/08/2004 15:46

It sounded to me like Mrs Fogi was saying that you should write "an hotel", but when you are speaking (unless you're French) you should say "a hotel".

Mrs Fogi, where are you? Help!

tammybear · 13/08/2004 15:49

Im getting all confused so I just checked on Microsoft Word and it says an hotel is wrong, and it should be a hotel.

MrsFogi · 13/08/2004 15:50

Just checked on Ask Oxford which says the following:

Which is correct: 'a hotel' or 'an hotel', 'a historian' or 'an historian'? And why is it 'a European' not 'an European'? Printer Friendly Version

The form an for the indefinite article is used before a spoken vowel sound, regardless of how the written word is spelt. If you say 'an otel' when speaking (which is now often regarded as distinctly old-fashioned), then it may be appropriate for you to write 'an hotel'; but most people say 'hotel' with a sounded 'h', and should write 'a hotel'.

By contrast, words such as 'honour', 'heir' or 'hour' in which the 'h' sound is dropped are written with 'an'. Americans who drop the 'h' in 'herb' may also prefer to write 'an herb', but in standard British pronunciation the 'h' is sounded, and 'a herb' is therefore correct in writing. Because 'European' is said with an initial 'y' sound, which counts as a consonantal sound in English speech, it is said (and written) with 'a' not 'an'. An abbreviation such as M.P., which is pronounced em pea, begins with a spoken vowel, and so it is 'an M.P.'

katierocket · 13/08/2004 16:52

excellent - i was looking for ages for just such an explanation

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Yamamoto · 13/08/2004 17:15

Please enclose a SAE or
Please enclose an SAE...?
Why does the first one sound like I come from Japan? Which one is wrong? (or wong)!