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Do they know it's Christmas? Awful song

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lottieandmia22 · 21/12/2017 13:23

'Well tonight thank God it's them instead of you'

Every year, every time I hear this line it makes me cringe. Although I see how it can be argued that nobody would actually swap places with someone in that adversity. It's still ok not to want anybody to suffer! I hate the song anyway and can't even put my finger on why.

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lottieandmia22 · 21/12/2017 23:14

I don't have a problem with raising money for those who need it. But that doesn't mean I have to like the song.

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lottieandmia22 · 21/12/2017 23:14

Yes condescending is what it is.

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lottieandmia22 · 21/12/2017 23:25

'Bob Geldof and Midge Ure have raised a lot more money to help the poor than you have I'm sure, OP.'

Famous people do tend to have the clout to raise money. That's a shit argument.

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Sparklingbrook · 21/12/2017 23:31

It's not a great song but i get what they were trying to achieve. We have had 32 years to overthink the lyrics though. Grin

MissEliza · 21/12/2017 23:37

The lyrics are a bit rubbish but it was written in a hurry and had a massive impact so I can forgive Bob Geldof for some of the strange lines.

lottieandmia22 · 21/12/2017 23:56

I don't think Geldof is a bad guy. I like how he looked after Tiger Lily after she was orphaned. But every year that song 😩

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Butterymuffin · 22/12/2017 00:01

Santa Baby (to name just one) is a much worse song and didn't do anyone any good. Maybe you need to listen to other shit Christmas music to get some perspective?

Perfume can you link to the documentary?

UrsulaPandress · 22/12/2017 00:06

Just sometimes. No often. I think. Really?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 22/12/2017 00:11

The Band Aid thing was Paula Yates idea apparently.

chainedtothedesk · 22/12/2017 00:20

The line 'do they know it's Christmas time at all' I interpret as, it is supposed to be a time for goodwill and giving. I.E would those more fortunate give anything to them, particularly as it's Christmas?

elephantoverthehill · 22/12/2017 00:25

Whatever it has achieved or how many it has helped, basically, fundamentally and at the end of the day, it is a shit song with cringy lyrics.

MissEliza · 22/12/2017 00:31

As someone who was a teenager in the 80s I do think it's an amazing bloody song for bringing together practically every famous musician of the day. I love listening to it and listening out for particular people.

PerfumeIsAMessage · 22/12/2017 06:52

MissEliza, I was 18 in 1984 and I agree that the impact the whole thing had was cataclysmic and defining of our generation.

I have recently done a few lessons in class with my teens on the massive difference between 1984 and Band Aid and the poverty porn shoots by Ed Sheeran and co.

Of course the song is trite, and naff, and perpetuates cultural stereotypes. (I can also recommend the spoof Africa for Norway where radiators and warm clothes are sent to poor cold Norwegians which highlights the cultural bias) Or Saviour Barbie, the pneumatic Trumpette who goes to Africa half naked to save the babies. All very sharp and valid parodies of the (current) fetish for famous people having their photographs taken with those less fortunate.

Bob Geldof is as irritating as fuck. Bono unspeakably so. (Less so back then maybe, as he hadn't yet realised he was Bono) Paula Yates was a drug addict who smacked herself up with her baby in the house. Midge Ure (who???, exactly...) was another one whose day had been and gone.

Did they change the world? Allbeit with a crap song? You bet your cosy little life they did.

Band Aid/Live Aid had its faults. I'm sure Saint Bob (the other one, Dylan) would have penned a laureate worthy ditty had he been asked, or indeed offered. But no, he chose to pitch up in the States and ask onstage that some of the money be given to poor American farmers)

Bob G is an interesting person I think. He liked Mrs Thatcher. That made me wonder about her. Welcoming PY and MH's child into his family was another interesting thing. I remember Michael Parkinson asking him if it had been a difficult decision to make, and how long BG had thought about it before deciding and he replied "not even a nanosecond". I have always found it interesting on MN that BG gets sidelined or criticised (annually) for writing a shit song whilst his drug addict daughter was lauded simply by virtue of being a mother, and dying young.

Funny old world.

There are 2 parts to it, it's very long!
PerfumeIsAMessage · 22/12/2017 06:54

Tinkly, PY saw the initial 6pm news slot and said that everyone that visited their house from then on had to donate £5 for famine relief. He started playing with the idea the song then.

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 22/12/2017 07:05

Ugh worst song ever!

Do they know it's Christmas?
Coptic Christianity is followed in Eitheopia and their Christmas is celebrated on our January 7th.
So no, they wouldn't have know it was Christmas. Because it wasn't.

Also "Africa" as a one homogeneous country. "won't be snow in Africa"
What not even on mountains? "No rivers?" Fuck off!
Australia is a continent largely devoid of rivers. Africa has plenty!

No rivers?

Dozer · 22/12/2017 07:13

Raised lots of money but the lyrics are problematic about africa and the aid recipients.

“Where nothing ever grows, no rain or rivers flow”

“Let them know it’s christmas time”.

The Bono line is at least challenging towards the intended charity givers.

ElliePhillips · 22/12/2017 07:20

I don't have any strong feelings either way about the song or it's lyrics.

As a child of Ghanaians, who was born in the early 80s, I can tell you that a well meaning, but condescending charity song aimed at raising so much money was probably more welcome than the appalling daily racism many of us suffered at the time living the U.K. Although of course it has perpetuated one dimensional stereotypes about "Africa".

On a more cheery note, here is the brilliant Radiators for Norway parody song. Sorry I don't know how to do links or embed videos. I'm new here. Could someone please help?

ElliePhillips · 22/12/2017 07:21

Oh it worked automatically. Hurrah!

FullOfXmasCheerOfCourse · 22/12/2017 07:24

It's not a great line but who gives a shit when it's saved lives?

mullmepopcorn · 22/12/2017 07:26

The contrast is between our experience of Christmas, and the desperate situation of other people.
So how can we be obsessed with snow, presents, excess food, when other people are hovering around the brink of starvation?

It is a bit patronising, but then most of us are no better now.

JeNeSuisPasVotreMiel · 22/12/2017 07:45

The song is cringeworthy but it did a great job of fundraising for the stricken countries affected at the time and certainly saved lives.

What isn't widely realised is that the babies saved at that time are now adults who unfortunately form a large part of the current refugee crisis. The appalling slave trafficking and human rights abuses being perpetrated in Libya and Italy now, as well as across Europe, have our Band Aid African babies as their stock in trade.

SunsetBeetch · 22/12/2017 07:57

Here's an alternative view (of the whole Live Aid phenomenon not just the awful single). Live Aid: The Terrible Truth

www.spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/

There is a documentary on YouTube too but I can't remember exactly what it was called.

lottieandmia22 · 22/12/2017 08:00

Laudanum - thank you for posting that thread from Twitter. Yes I agree with the author of the thread that this is not a song which should still be played on the radio in 2017 because it's an embarrassment.

“"Thank God it’s them instead of you”

This line alone sums up white privilege to me and may the spirit of my ancestors give you diarrhoea if you want to argue otherwise."

^^ this I wholeheartedly agree with.

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PaperBagPrincesa · 22/12/2017 08:03

Agree sort of but for a 32 yr old song it stands up fairly well.

Pick any other number one and imagine it replayed for 32 yrs

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