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The joke is wearing thin

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wings · 25/01/2004 12:29

Hi everyone, can you help?

A leading member of the school's PTA has got into the habit of making jokingly derogatory remarks to me about my sons or my partner. She does this in company, within earshot of other people. To give an example, I attended a christams party with my children and she asked where my husband was. (She knows him quite well at school). I don't like these types of direct questions, but I know that it is just this woman's way so I dodge out of answering them. So I just said he couldn't make it, but gave no reason (don't see why I have to justify myself) and quickly said 'well the rest of us are here, how is the party going? to change the subject.

Then right at the end of the evening, when I was with lots of other people, she said very loudly, "tell *** ( my dh) I'll be having words with him" I don't find this funny.

She is a self admitted bossy, outspoken person. People, including me will joke about it to he. She is always running up to parents and asking them to buy raffle tickets, come to the school panto, etc. I have no problem with that. She does a lot of work for the school. I do support a lot of the PTA efforts and help when I can. Lots of parents attend events and help less than me.

But in the last 6 months she has increasingly made what I consider to be personal remarks about me, in company, that show lack of respect.
I have never confided in her much, or indeed anyone at the school, so she hasn't got much information to go on. But I get the impression that the message behind her jokes is that I am really ineffectual. My children are both happy at the school and have no discipline problems - my oldest did for a while, but he is now fine and his behaviour doesn't stand out and he is getting on well with his work. It is not just me saying this, it is teachers, cub helpers, and other parents.

Yet still this PTA person persists in casting aspersions about them jokingly but publically, and will use any small reason to wade in and tell them off in front of me in group situations. I am happy for other peole to tell off my children, I hasten to add, but the way she does it comes with the strong implication that she knows best and I don't.For example, she'll say 'just leave them to me, I know how to sort them out'

I am not losing sleep over this, but I would love to get her off my back. My tactic so far is just igoring the implication and not rising to the bait by responding to her, but I would love to come up with a smart answer sometimes.

Ps I have changed my name for this posting, in case people at my son's school read this.

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Clarinet60 · 26/01/2004 22:22

wings, you've just solved a problem that's puzzled me all my life. I'm quiet, so when I do, rarely, speak out, people get offended. I see why now, in the way you explained it in your post. Thanks!

Chandra · 26/01/2004 23:55

I agree with you both Wings and Droile, people can tell me very ofensive things but if I dare to say something...judgement fall over me.

Example (No intention to kidnap the thread). She comes to my house and makes clear she doesn't feel is correct to have dogs when you have a baby and say it (I agree with her but the dogs were here long before), I warm up a bottle in the microwave and she tells me off (right again but I'm very careful with it), I decide to follow a routine with ds and she spats that thats the cruelest thing you can do to a baby, I cook home meals for DS and she says I'm stupid as I can get them ready made in the supermarket, but if I dare to say anything different than how beautiful is your baby 345 times a day she gets offended, once I even was told of because I asked the baby (who doesn't speak) if she find the day cold...her mother just told me that with that sort of comments I could make her child believe that her mother was not somebody that she could trust...nutter! Well the point is that, you keep quiet and the day you dare to open your mouth... you are the meanest person on earth.

Chandra · 26/01/2004 23:57

The last was to support Wings point that if you are quiet and nice people just allow you to do comments in the same line regardless of how rude they may get to be with you.

Marina · 27/01/2004 12:28

Chandra and Droile have hit the nail on the head. Gentle, laid-back people do get targeted by "witty", "assertive" people and the school gates is a perfect venue for this, as it can be an emotional battleground at the best of times. As others have said, it may or may not be intentional on her part to cause hurt, but at some level she has recognised a good foil for her "humour" in you, Wings, and however deep that is buried in bumptious good humour, she is getting a little frisson of pleasure by passing her remarks.
I'm not sure what advice I can give and you've had loads of good tips (I like the handbag one too!) but I just wanted you to know that I know what it feels like.

Cam · 27/01/2004 13:00

Wings, whilst I feel for you and have been in your position, I think if I'm totally honest that I have been the other woman too! I think that she may be trying to be your friend and thinks she is "helping" you (eg. when she "helps" you with your children). Maybe she thinks you're holding back out of shyness and need to be jollied along. I don't believe for one minute that she realises you don't really like her (or if she does it makes her nervous and she gets louder and bossier). PTA women often feel they have to befriend everyone. My advice to you at this stage would be to avoid her as much as possible and don't take what she says personally. It's not worth it! By the way Nicksie, am now wondering what happened to you as you hint at a similar situation.

Tinker · 27/01/2004 14:38

Cam has just said what I was going to say. I really think this woman is trying to be your friend but is just crap at pitching it correctly. You could try and take it as a compliment

wings · 29/01/2004 08:09

Cam and tinker, yes, I think she is trying to be friendly. Also, she chats to my dh who is more on her jokey wavelength - and being the sort of person he is, he can joke back more naturlly than me - so she just carries over things when she sees me. When she saw my dh, he told me she did 'tell him off' for not coming to the christmas party, so she was as good as her word

Perhaps if this situation continues, I could get my dh to have a jokey word with her. She is nice woman underneath and I think she does want to be friendly, though she has lots of friends at school already, so hasn't much time to make new ones.

It's been really useful to hear all the varying views on this situation - given me much food for thought, so thank you everyone.

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wings · 21/03/2004 09:09

realisation strikes! It's all down to my dh. Until last year, he didn't collect our sons from school and now he does. When he talks to the mothers during the school pick up, I just know he will be far more jokey than me, so I suppose they have got used to joking back. Then they forget I am not him. I have now seen dh in action with them. The penny has dropped

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chocbox · 21/03/2004 14:15

Haven't read this thread in it's entirety but feel that sometimes, it's not what is said but the way it is said.

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