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About Dogs again - questions, questions

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handlemecarefully · 25/11/2003 11:28

I want one, I want one, I want one! Had one as a child and lover her to bits.

A few questions:

*Is it fair to leave a dog on their own from 07.05 to 17.00 Monday to Wednesday (whilst at work)?
*If you are going to do this should you get two so that they can keep each other company?
*If yes its okay to leave them, when leaving a dog like this, should they be left indoors or outdoors. I don't like the idea of 'imprisoning' the dog indoors and would like him / her to have run of garden. But would they get too cold in bitter weather?
*which breed of dogs have the best reputation with small children
*which breed of dogs are the least like to escape (jump hedges, tunnel under hedges etc). I live on a busy road and don't want dog to escape and get run over by articulated lorry

  • would I be taking on too much with a 16 month old and another baby due next April?

Thanks if you can help

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Queenie · 26/11/2003 10:59

HMC - I feel for you and in moments of madness I too think a dog would be lovely but then I see my neighbour drenched from walking theirs at 7.30 am and I think maybe not. Mothernature, your post reaffirms this for me.

suedonim · 26/11/2003 13:50

We had a darling little house bunny, too, M2t. He died last year, aged almost 9. A friend has a gigantic ginger house rabbit - I thought it was a cat, the first time I saw it!

Much as I loved Wilfred, I won't get another as I've since read that they shouldn't be kept on their own as they are social animals and I don't want to have two rabbits to look after. I'll have to go and cuddle a neigbour's rabbits, instead.

CountessDracula · 26/11/2003 14:24

hmc here is a dog breed chooser, asks you lots of questions and recommends a dog. here is another one

M2T · 26/11/2003 14:28

Suedonim - they are social animals..... but so are dogs, they live in packs in the wild! That's why they make such good pets as they think that we are their social group. My rabbit licks me on one hand as I tickle behind his ears with the other..... like he's grooming me! lol

CountessDracula · 26/11/2003 14:31

I would love a house rabbit but dh say a baby and a huge dog and some fish is enough for now. Sulk. And we don't even have any fish at the moment.

Think the dog would eat the rabbit come to think of it...

M2T · 26/11/2003 14:34

CD - Instinct would kick in with the dog if the rabbit was running abou tin the wild, but they seem to treat them differently when they live in the home and are visibly part of the home. When I lived with my Mum and Dad they had 5 dogs and I had 3 outdoor Rabbits! If one escaped into the garden it would have to run very fast to get away from the dogs, but in the house they all just stayed away from each other! Very odd.

I have a rat too.... called Reggie.

handlemecarefully · 26/11/2003 15:55

Thanks Countessdrac and Mothernature for the info.....that's kind of you

and thanks for the recommendation of a rabbit M2T

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CountessDracula · 26/11/2003 17:23

Reggie? As in Kray!?

My mate had a rat called Vomit. Charming

suedonim · 26/11/2003 18:48

So a house bunny regards its humans as part of its social group, M2T, that's so cute. Maybe the advice I've read is for not keeping solitary rabbits in outdoor hutches? Is your rabbit toilet trained, btw?
We had no problems with interactions between our (miniature) rabbit, two cats and dog (though our dog doesn't know she's a dog - she thinks she's a cat). When our younger cat was being obnoxious to him one day Wilfred turned round and gave the cat an ear boxing like you've never seen, lol!

Dd1 calls our dog 'Vomit' She also addresses dd2 as 'Horrid' or simply 'Child'.

yoko · 30/12/2003 09:04

just looking for some advice really.we have 8 wk kcc puppy,things are not going so well!!we are experienced with dogs but this one is not responding v well at all.main thing is nightime barking,his crate is in our room,he barks incessently at night-not due to needing toilet.we have had no sleep for 3 nights now.i am soo worried about the neighbours.i keep thinking it will improve when he is fully vaccinated and can go for walks etc-any thoughts.oh,he is not a "christmas" dog,iyswim,his breeder is retiring,this is her last litter and she is vv reputable-throughout my childhood we have had 3 dogs from her!any advice would be soo welcome

willow2 · 30/12/2003 09:33

8 weeks old is still a baby - he can't be long weaned. Just think you have to grin and bear it for a while longer

yoko · 30/12/2003 09:36

thanks willow-i said to dp that this is how i felt at 8 wks with our ds!although his barking wasnt so awful.we will go to puppy club soonish,which will help.just want to do the right thing for him.

libb · 30/12/2003 09:55

Would putting him in the kitchen for the night help? We were told to be firm and ignore any barking with ours but it didn't stop the entire family from popping down at one point or another during the night. Oddly enough, once he'd checked that all of us were still around he went back to sleep! Talk about reporting to the boss!

yoko · 30/12/2003 10:28

havent tried leaving him in kitchen-all the stuff you read is so conflicting,some says be firm from the startetc and dont respond to crying,other stuff says dont leave them isolated,blimey oh riley!!

CountessDingDongDrac · 30/12/2003 13:44

yoko I would definitely get him out of your room, if he can see/hear you I am not surprised he is barking, prob wants to play!

Has he got something to snuggle up to, eg blanket? Put one in your bed for the night and then let him have it in his crate, he will gain comfort from your smells on it.

yoko · 30/12/2003 20:24

thanks libb and countess,we will leave him in the kitchen tonight-pleasedont let him wake the neighbourhood!i just worry about our unpleasant neighbour,but her bass and drum often reverberates around our house!!countess,did you go to any particular method training classes with your doggy?

tallulah · 30/12/2003 20:36

Our little angel now sleeps through the night (thank god!). She's got a ticking clock, an old Tshirt that smells of DH & a load of chewy toys.

We took her away at Xmas & the first night she whined almost non-stop, but on the whole we haven't had the barking problem. We've got the crate under the stairs.

maryz · 30/12/2003 22:06

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yoko · 06/01/2004 16:58

thanks to all you dog experts for your advice.We got him out of our room that night ,followed yr advice and obviously its not been 100% perfect but so so so improved!!Obviously there now comes a but,so,BUT,at what age did your dogs "get" toilet training?i am being completely consistent in taking him out-seems bloody constantly!but he will not go to the toilet outside,obviously as soon as he comes inside he feels the time is right.he has not gone even once outside,we are lovely and encouraging but no go!So,help any tips please!also,can any of you reccommend a good neutraliser/odour remover,lots in pet shop but want one that works!!

CountessDracula · 06/01/2004 17:14

Sorry can't help on this one as somehow our 7week old pup arrived housetrained. We were VERY lucky!
Hope you sort it out soon.

tallulah · 06/01/2004 18:21

What sort of dog is he? We once had a border collie who would never ever "go" outside. Would walk for hours then come in & mess all over the house! We put up with it for 7 months, then no more. He was rehomed to a farm.

Ours is a Rhodesian Ridgeback & has been very good since she arrived. We still get the odd accident but usually when no-one has noticed her looking patiently at the door!

We use Simple Solution for the carpets etc, as our wonderful cats are still spraying everywhere.. (if we could only work out which one it was, it would help). If you come across a good general-dog-smell-remover that isn't so highly perfumed it makes you gag, please let me know! Eau-de-dog as you walk in the house is not very pleasant.

fio2 · 06/01/2004 18:25

my border collies are very good house trained so i dont think its to do with breed When they go for a wee or poo in the house drag them outside, even if they are mid wee/poo, and leave them out there for a while. Or newspaper, drag them onto the newspaper by the back door. Big square going into little square, then no square and just pout him/her straight outside. Does work eventuallyy!@

mothernature · 06/01/2004 19:00

Yoko - info required to help you house train - crate train your puppy -

Typically puppies can not be housebroken before they are 12-14 weeks old, they lack the muscle control.

There are basically two methods of house breaking a puppy 1) crate training and 2) paper training. Crate training is the most effective method for housebreaking to ensure that a puppy is fully trained. Paper training risks only partial housebreaking as a puppy learns that it is acceptable to relieve itself indoors.

CRATE TRAINING

The foundation for crate training is based on the principle that puppies will avoid soiling in their immediate sleeping/living area.

It is important that the crate is the right size for your dog, if too big your puppy may soil in it. The crate should be big enough for you puppy to stand up, turn around and lie down with water bowl.

When unsupervised puppies should be restricted to their crate. Never confine your puppy to its crate for more than 2-3 hours at one time.

At regular intervals your puppy should be taken to a designated place outside to relieve itself. The owner needs to anticipate when a dog will need to relieve itself.

As an approximate guide a puppy should be taken outside after they wake up, after they eat, after playing and throughout the day at least every 3 hours.

As your puppy relieves itself use words like "hurry up" then praise them. Soon your dog will learn the command "hurry up" means to relieve itself. It is important to praise your dog after it eliminates in the designated spot so it learns that it is doing good by going in that area.

Never scold your dog for mishaps, it is not their fault but the owners fault for not supervising them close enough.

Tips:

Set an alarm to remind you to let the puppy out to relieve itself.
Exercise your puppy before confining them to their crate.
Anticipation - A puppy that suddenly sniffs the ground intensely is usually signalling that it is looking for somewhere to relieve itself.
Put the puppy crate in a busy environment such as the kitchen, so not to feel isolated.
Never confine puppy in crate for punishment.
PAPER TRAINING

Paper training a puppy is a two stage process: 1) train puppy to relieve itself on paper only 2) train puppy to go only outdoors. There is a potential risk of only partially house breaking a puppy using this method as it is trained that relieving itself indoors is acceptable.

Paper training is when the dog eliminates on the paper when indoors, but when outside it goes in a designated area.

The owner needs to monitor the dog and anticipate when the dog needs to relieve itself.

At regular intervals your puppy should be taken to the papered area or a designated place outside to relieve itself.

As your puppy relieves itself use words like "hurry up" then praise them. Soon your dog will learn the command "hurry up" means to relieve itself. It is important to praise your dog after it eliminates on the paper or outside in the designated spot so it learns that it is doing good by going in that area.

Whenever possible train your puppy to relieve itself outside in a designated area. A puppy needs to be taken outside after they wake up, after they eat and throughout the day at least every 3 hours.

Unless your puppy is to be completely an indoors dog (like a toy dog living in an apartment) then they need to be weaned off relieving themselves on the papered area. After the puppy learns that relieving itself on the papered area is ?good? then the papered area needs to be gradually diminished. As the papered area is diminished it should be moved closer towards the door and finally outside, by which time your puppy should be house broken.

I hope this helps, better late than never...

yoko · 06/01/2004 21:43

thank you all!my house is slowly turning into "The Osbournes"!my dp and i have lots of experience with older dogs,but not such a littley.he is lovely,very affectionate,a king charles cavalier.thank you so much everyone for your advice.Tallulah,if i come accross that miracle product ill let you know-ihave cats too!

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