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Mice or rats - does it sounds like we have them?

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WideWebWitch · 16/10/2003 10:24

Oh, my life is so exciting! We've come down this morning to find shavings of wood around the bottom of the door to the kitchen and the bottom of the door jamb directly opposite it - as if a rat or mouse had been gnawing at the door to try to get into the kitchen. I can't think how else it could have happened unless we've got mice. It's right next to a bit of skirting board (I so want to say wainscot, it's all a bit Beatrix Potter!) with a very small gap in it. Now I'm typing this it seems obvious that maybe it is mice or rats but any advice? We are going to ring pest control - apparently the people before us had rats in the garden but I didn't think they'd had them in the house. Is it inevitable if they were in the garden shed? Is there anything else we can do, apart from making sure food isn't left out, floors are kept clean and swept etc? Yuk, cringing at the thought of it. TIA for any tips.

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Jimjams · 16/10/2003 10:43

Mice can be poisoned really easily. Buy the blue stuff, out it down right against the skirting board (they run along walls rather than in the middle of rooms iyswim) and they'll be gone within days. If it's rats you have more of a problem on your hands- but rats tend to make holes that look big enough to get a small dog through, mouse holes are much more rodent sized.

Jimjams · 16/10/2003 10:45

put it down, not out it down

robinw · 16/10/2003 11:52

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Jimjams · 16/10/2003 12:35

If you have a mouse infestation then you may struggle to get rid of them all using Longworth traps (the live traps). If you decide to try them, again place the trap right against the wall (parallel to it iyswim add a bit of cotton wool and bait with peanut butter. Then don a big pair of rubber gloves to empty the trap (if you want to transport in a different container then you can empty them into a plastic bag to begin with).

3GirlsMum · 16/10/2003 12:50

Have a good look around for mouse droppings as they do normally leave something around...particularly down the sides of places. Best deterrent...a cat....we are the only house down our road not to have had them..!

fio2 · 16/10/2003 14:43

we've found mouse droppings under the stairs and I have put traps down but it hasnt caught anything but we havent had any more mice either, whats going on? Do think it has been killed anyway?

Jimjams · 16/10/2003 17:27

fio where have you placed the traps? They have to be right next to the wall- not even a cm gap or they run between the trap and wall. They may have moved on though if the signs have gone. Do you live in the country? Apodemus (the field mouse) tends to visit fleetingly rather than set up hom like house mice.

fio2 · 16/10/2003 17:43

I live in a large town jimjams but is quite leafy round here. It is a fieldmouse because I have seen it outside after the rabbit food and I was until recently keeping the rabbit food under the stairs so I am pressuming it is after that. I dont know if I am using the traps wrong. Do I have to put the bait on top of the little brass shelf thing or underneath? Will try putting them right next to the wall though, thanks.

Jimjams · 16/10/2003 17:52

depends exactly what your traps are like-are they live ones (of so just make sure nothing is stopping the pedal that releases the door from being pushed down)? I've never used killer ones so I don't know about them. If its a field mouse it will just wander in by mistake but shouldn't hang around.

fio2 · 16/10/2003 17:55

Oh feel guilty now for using the killer ones but I really hate mice and cant deal with moving a live one around, sorry

Jimjams · 16/10/2003 18:00

don't feel guilty fio2- if I had house mice in my house I'd poison them! Especially now I have children- they can spread disease. I had to catch them for work and they had to be alive.

fio2 · 16/10/2003 18:06

I cant poison them because of my dogs and because I have seen it going into the rabbit hutch

Jimjams · 16/10/2003 18:07

Aah that makes it difficult.....

Eulalia · 16/10/2003 18:17

Oh the bane of our existence! We had (have) rats and mice - both at the same time I think. Our house is very old with lots of holes where they can get in from outside and we live in the country with fields all around. The mice leave more droppings than the rats but the rats cause more damage chewing things, even electric cables but somehow never manage to electricute themselves! They can chew through anything, wood, plaster etc. dh is slowly trying to vermin-proof the house but it takes time.

We have a cat but the rats are roof-rats and only come down to the ground when we are out, also the cat tends to prefer to be outside where he annoyingly catches lots of mice. We did get a killer trap which got 2 rats but we have one or two again so I think they just come back...sigh

no advice really but yes keep food hidden and maybe get a bit of sheet steel to nail over the skirting board. Good luck.

SofiaAmes · 16/10/2003 23:52

OK, I confess, we have been plagued with rats over the last couple of months. They started out in the extension which was still under construction so it wasn't as big a deal. Then, they got under the house and we could hear them at night gnawing on the pipe insulation and other things. THEN, they got into the kitchen (gnawed through 18mm plywood!). There were HUGE droppings whereever they were. My dh used up 15 cans (didn't read the bit on the label where it says it expands to 3 times its size) of spray foam filling up holes. And put out poison which they didn't touch. Then I finally called the council and they sent out a pest control subcontractor (60 quid). He put out a lot more poison which they didn't touch either. So in the end my dh put out the snap you're dead old fashioned rat traps baited with sweet corn and caught 3 in one night. He then caught another 4 by accident in the empty bin (they jumped in looking for food and couldn't get out). And one drowned in the toilet. That seems to have been the end of them. We haven't seen or heard one in 4 or 5 days now. I'm thrilled...it had gotten so bad, I was afraid to go down to the kitchen at night to make a bottle for dd.

robinw · 17/10/2003 06:54

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Jimjams · 17/10/2003 07:39

Poison generally doesn't work with rats (they either won't talk it or they are resistant to it). I did see once this kind of decapitation trap- the farmer I was with said "they don't get out of that". Absolutely no idea where you get them from. Mice are a lot easier to get rid of than rats.

WideWebWitch · 17/10/2003 09:01

Oh no sofia, that sounds horrible! I've been nervous about going for a wee in the middle of the night because I'm anxious about finding a rat in the loo. Is it likely? It's an upstairs one. Dp heard scratching behind the skirting last night so we've definitely got something there but having read this I'm really hoping it's mice, not rats. He's covered all the holes and there's no evidence of them this morning. Pest control are coming out next Weds. Thanks for all the replies.

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fio2 · 17/10/2003 20:53

thanks jimjams, killed one last night with your help peanut butter and trap against the wall glad dh was home today to move it to the bin

SofiaAmes · 18/10/2003 00:06

no don't worry www. The toilet had only just been installed that day and they had been getting into the extension under construction through the waste pipe up until then. I'm assuming, one dumber one, went running up the pipe and found a toilet full of water instead of air at the other end.
Just make sure you put all your food/bread/butter/fruit in the fridge overnight.

Eulalia · 18/10/2003 09:30

We found a dead mouse in the toaster once !!!

Rhubarb · 18/10/2003 12:37

The farm where dh's parents live is pretty infested with rats and mice,usually in the various barns and outhouses. When dh went to pick dd up from there one afternoon, he found her playing in the one of the rat-infested barns, putting her hands in the bales of hay and rolling on the floor, both of which are covered in rat droppings! When he mentioned to his mum that this might not be a good idea, she merely said that it did them no harm as children!

I now have to watch for symptoms of Weils Disease! Bloody country people!

Eulalia · 18/10/2003 13:40

Rhubarb - thanks for alerting us - I found this for anyone who is worried....

The Weils Disease Information Center

Transmission methods

Aquiring a leptospira infection is not as easy as some people would like you to believe. Thousands of sport cavers and underground workers are exposed to the bacterium every day of the year and the incidences of infection are low. Typically, 8 people contract the infection in the UK due to watersports, caving and similar activities. However, those entering high risk areas do need to be aware of the infection and how to minimise their exposure. The disease is spread by direct water or urine contact and is not usually transmitted from person to person.Ingestion of infected animal tissue can also cause the illness.

Areas of high risk
As we have already said, the Leptospira bacterium is predominantly spread by the urine of animals. Most cases result from rats, though farm animals can also carry the infection and wild or domestic livestock can also present a risk. The bacteria can survive for up to one month if the urine is transferred into water immediately, though dies rapidly if dried out. For this reason farm animals and wild/domestic livestock presents less of a risk than rats as the exposure must be to the urine directly. Rat populations exist near water and the urine from the colony easily passes into the system. The bacterium can only survive for this length of time in fresh water. In saltwater the organism is killed within a few hours.

The bacteria is endemic to rat populations of numerous species across the world and it is a sensible policy to assume all rats, wherever they are found, harbour the infection unless proved otherwise. Note that infected water does not have to look and smell like raw sewage to be dangerous. Sewers are obviously high risk sites, but as can be testified by cavers and mine explorers who have contracted the infection, apparently clean water in other underground sites can be a source of exposure if the water originates from an infected surface source. In the UK farming and caving areas are closely associated and it is likely that the water entering these caves has passed through areas of rat habitation or is contaminated by urine from farm stock. The (illegal) practice of dumping carcasses and domestic effluent into caves and mine workings has led to dramatically increased risks in very specific sites though in the UK rats do not normally inhabit caves or abandoned mine workings.

Surface sites are also possible sources of infection. Anglers,windsurfers, canoeists or those who swim in freshwater sites can be exposed to infection. If rats are sighted in or near a body of water then exposure to that water should be avoided. Rivers in urban areas are particularly high risk as the policy of dumping anything and everything into the river and it's runoff areas leads to food sources and shelter for rats.Remember that the bacterium only survives in fresh water - marine watersports have never resulted in an infection from these bacteria.

Transmission methods
The bacteria enters your body via cuts to the skin, or via the nose,mouth or other mucous membranes. Exposure requires contact with the water or the animals' urine directly, or the consumption of infected tissue. Bacteria are not particularly good at surviving in the outside world and unless there is a large amount of water vapour in the air (for instance near a waterfall) the organism is not airborne. Thus, anyone coming into contact with infected water either by skin exposure or ingestion is at risk of infection. Those with cuts to the skin are more at risk than others.It is rare to pass the infection person- to-person, though contact with an infected person's urine is obviously as risky as the original source. Vegetables grown in areas likely to be contaminated with animal urine should be washed and well cooked.

Eulalia · 18/10/2003 13:42

I have found the rats to be cleaner than the mice. They tend to poo in hidden areas whereas the mice just poo at random. I've heard from people who keep rats as pets that they are very clean. Still don't want them in my house though!

fio2 · 20/10/2003 17:33

I have killed 2 now and havent had any more 'visitors' They were both feild mice, should I expect anymore? And how is the rest of the mice catching bridgade getting on?