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Is nursery good for my child? or, is it good for me? I really need a reality check...

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Chandra · 31/03/2005 00:44

OK, I have spent last night reading Stephen Biddulph's The Secret of Happy Children, specifically the chapter where he concentrates on the long term effects a child may,or according to the author, "might" suffer if deprived from his/her mother presence and sent to nursery.

Anyways... I never paid much attention to his views on nurseries as my child (25m old) has become very sociable since attending one. However, reading through that chapter yesterday I realised that my son displays two characteristics that the author claims children who are suffering the effects of the nurseries do have: He doesn't want to come with me after nursery time, which I thought was due to him enjoying the playing; and some other thing that I really don't think is exclusive to nursery children.

Before reading the book I was watching Jamie's school dinners which had already given me enough worries even before reading Biddulph's book.

And finally, when I went to pick him up this afternoon, I was told by the manager that we needed to sort up DS's attending time as he was obviously distressed because he was not having naps during the day as I was picking him up 15m-30min after lunch, when most children are already being taking the afternoon nap -He attends two full days and 3 half days-. I told her that DS was sleeping at home (which he does) and she looked so surprised that I got the idea that she didn't believe me, I still don't understand why she was making such a fuss...DS is a lovely placid child, for one time that he decides that he doesn't want to go to sleep and throw a tantrum is not the end of the world, is it?. Anyways, I went to the room and found DS who had been crying for quite a while, and although he came to me when he saw me, it took him another couple of minutes to stop crying. I asked them what he had for lunch and bingo!!! fish fingers and baked beans! (...more on Jamie Oliver's program ). Besides, I have asked them not to give him baked beans as he is allergic to tomatoes and although the way he was acting was out of proportion and surely non related to his tomato allergy, it made me wonder about what kind of food he is given and if my instructions regarding the allergies are not dealt with as seriously as they should. So, we have agreed to change DS schedule, so instead of taking him in the mornings, I will take him in the afternoon, after he has had lunch and a nap at home.

DS started attending nursery while I was studying. When I finished a couple of months ago, we decided to let him stay at the nursery as he seemed to be enjoying it so much, also because we don't speak English at home. Because the nursery is also the only place where he can have contact have with other children of his age (we don't know any other). Because I may find a job and wouldn't like to go through the problem to get a space in the nursery again. And yes, because with my PND, both DS and me end up having a very long day, which I believe is not completely good for any of us.

I have not found a job but I'm going back to University on October, at the moment I am trying to advance some of the research, but TBH I could take care of DS at home and forget about the research until October, or even forget about going back to study at all, but given what I have said above, I'm not sure if taking him out of nursery will be more benefitial to him than leaving things as they are atm.

I'm very shy and bad at small talk so I find the idea of going to mother and toddler groups terrifying, I have tried it but I have hated it. We don't have any family around, and our friendships are rather superficial as most of the people we get to know moves out of the city as soon as they can (Why am I still here I will never know). So, DS would have a very lonely social life if he stops going to the nursery.

So the question is (finally), am I doing what is best for him? or should I forget about the nursery and take care of him myself? or is this just some over the top mid night ramble?

Oh Gawd! am I doing the right thing?

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wild · 31/03/2005 15:28

I don't think this is a lot, but then ds has always gone full-time and we are all happy with the arrangement (he gets at least as tired when he's at home)

lunavix · 31/03/2005 15:36

I think don't take him out completely. Places are hard to come by, and you could really unsettle him by taking him out, then putting him back in.

Besides as someone said (soupdragon? maybe a different thread) having their little one in two days a week means they can be a better parent the other three. THey aren't exhausted, running out of ideas of what to do, both have space from each other...

If I was with dp 24/7 he'd do my head in! So while you love your ds very much, it's understable you could get tired of just each others company

Chandra · 31/03/2005 16:00

... well, before we reduced the hours to 2 days full time and 3 half days he was going full time ... though at that time I was working around 12 hrs per day on my dissertation...

About going only 2 full days, when he was attending just on 2 days he found it more difficult to settle, but as soon as we increased the amount of time he was fine. I supose he was finding the nursery a completely new world after so many days at home, as soon as we send him more often the problem disapeared. Argh!!! the nursery manager is going to kill me, I don't know how many times we have changed the attending tmes already

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Enid · 31/03/2005 16:04

well...I think its a lot if he doesn't HAVE to be there. He might be bored at home but there's nothing wrong with that and he won't have to be 'on' all the time IYKWIM. Couldn't you drop a day and try to do something fun with him instead? You can add another day in October - six months is a long time when you are 2 and he'll probably be totally happy with it then

hoxtonchick · 31/03/2005 16:05

i still agree with enid !

Blu · 31/03/2005 16:13

With DS we found that after 4 days being at home, nursery felt like a new wrench. The kids who go most days get to know each other and form confident little play groups. The kids who are out for a few days at a stretch aren't so easily re-incorporated into those friendships. I observed this, too, when I spent a couple of weeks trying to settle DS into a nursery earlier this year (and then took him out to a new nursery where he is blissfully happpy - but that's a different story!).

So I don't necessarily agree with Hoxtonchick and Enid

Enid · 31/03/2005 16:14

but if you do four half days a week? Thats what dd2 will be doing in September (she'll be almost 3). I agree having long gaps between sessions can be a problem but shorter days?

Chandra · 31/03/2005 16:15

Oh! I want an Oxtonchick like Enid's too

I understand your point... probably the best solution would be to send him only half days until I start uni again on October, that way I still have a chance to advance the research a bit, and he doesn't get too upset about the changes... OK, I want another child and I don't see myself being able to finish a PhD in the requested 3 years time with two children... and I don't see myself living for another seven years here in order to complete it part time, besides... who is going to hire me if I finish the degree at 43?

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Enid · 31/03/2005 16:18

Chandra, you sound as though you have a lot of ifs and buts in your life! What job do you want that you have to have a PHD for??

Chandra · 31/03/2005 16:26

Honestly speaking Enid, none. And yes my life is full of if's and but's. The thing is that I abandoned my PhD studies when we first came here under the premise that we were coming for only 6m, seven yrs on we are still here. I want to go back to my country but I am told every year that we will leave next year, and then I'm told the same a year afterwards (actually, according to my records we should be moving back next week... another broken promise). So DH has finally said that we are leaving in 3 yrs time so I'm trying to keep my mind busy as other wise I end up climbing the walls of the house (bad translation, I suposse) and keeping studying will at least keep me a bit updated and ready to go back to academia as soon as we go back. So far I have 2 MA, 3 postgraduate certificates and a paediatric first aid certification.... Oh dear I'm a waste of time.

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Chandra · 31/03/2005 16:28

BTW, I hope I have not sound aggresive with my last post, as I really have achieved a calm state of acceptance of the topic ... yeah, right!

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secretregular · 31/03/2005 16:56

can someone tell me what Biddulph said about boys wanting to stay at nursery and not come home because I am having this exact problem when I go to pick mine up. How strange!

Chandra · 31/03/2005 17:06

More than wanting to stay at nursery he mentions that going to nursery prevents them from learning to create long term bondings and as a result the mother-child bonding suffers as well, hence they push the mother away rather than greet her return.

He also mentions that boys, being less communicative than girls, are more likely to get more affected.

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Gwenick · 31/03/2005 17:08

I've got a boy - he ADORES nursery - and I've never had a problem getting him home [frown]

Chandra · 31/03/2005 17:11

I used to say that before it started

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Gwenick · 31/03/2005 17:12

lol Chandra - he's been there since september and we've actually become closer since he started that when he was at home all day!

Chandra · 31/03/2005 17:16

Yes, is curious when it happens isn't it? when I have him around just half a day I do think I couldn't be happier. When he is around the full day we love each other for two hours and then we start dreaming of the nursery

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