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Should my 4 yo DS be forced to sing and dance at nursery if he doesn't want to??

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ludaloo · 06/11/2007 13:15

My ds is just 4. He'll be starting primary school in Jan.
He has become increasingly upset about going to nursery ( he goes for 4 mornings a week) and TBH leaving him crying is becomming unbearable.
My good friend is an assistant at his nursery, so I have been handing him over to her, who cuddles him...then I just dash out.
He has been going there since he was 2 and a half...but about a year ago we had a new leader...and new assistant (my friend).
My friend told me today that he had been crying...and recently he has become increasingly anxious about singing/dancing, and he follows her about asking if they are going to sing. He burst into tears today, as the leader had told him he had to sing...everyone else is singing so he has to join in.
My friend is in an awkward position, as she told him not to worry...and to sit with her, but then the leader said no..he had to join in. When she said it shouldn't matter if he sits out, the leader said, well it does matter, if he sits out, then everyone will want to sit out...and what is he going to do when he gets up to primary school?....he'll have to join in then...

So....what shall I do? Clearly he is very distressed about singing/dancing...and to be fair..they do lots of it at nursery!
I can't bear the thought of him being so upset, and the tears we have each morning is heart braking.
He told me a few months ago that he didn't like doing one particular song...and I had asked the leader if he could possibly sit out until he felt comfortable with it, to which she replied "yes".

I'm just not sure whether asking if he can sit out of singing/dancing is the right thing to do...or that the leader is right to make him do it

He is only 4 though, and I can't see that singing and dancing is important enough to warrant a sad and anxious little boy who no longer wants to go to nursery because of it.

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ludaloo · 06/11/2007 13:42

Well, she has upset one or two other mums over the year, as I have heard them discussing various things. She really doesn't seem to be a very child friendly leader

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ludaloo · 06/11/2007 13:43

Hmmm you're right...it might not be worth the battle really might it...

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kindersurprise · 06/11/2007 13:46

Apart from anything else, if she is defending her actions by saying that he will have to learn before he goes to school, it is not giving him a very good impression of school. He will be scared to death of school if he thinks that he will have to do lots of singing and dancing.

ludaloo · 06/11/2007 13:51

good point.... I have tried to talk with him to see if it really is singing and dancing he hates...or whether it is something else which upsets him (i.e her) but he really does seem to just hate singing and dancing.
I've also told him school won't be all singing and dancing (I am contemplating talking to his teacher to be...who is currently my DD1's teacher...to see what her approach would/will be when he does get up there....)

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sugarfree · 06/11/2007 13:55

Would he do singing and dancing at home with you Luda?
Just hearing you singing along to the radio might suggest to him that its a happy activity. (i don't mean you suggest him joining in with you either ,just let him hear you.)
Or one of those sing-a-long DVDs? What if you let him watch one of those whilst you potter about in another room,so he doesn't get self conscious at all.

sugarfree · 06/11/2007 13:56

I would definitely speak to his new teacher and explain how this is turning into a Big Deal for him.

ludaloo · 06/11/2007 14:00

Well at home he is fine. Most nights we spend a good half an hour singing nursery rhymes and it is something he gets upset about if we don't have time to do it!! He chooses a song and then I sing it...he joins in (but TBH he sings under the duvet!)

I think it is just doing it in front of people he has a problem with. If I catch him singing he goes very shy...but he does enjoy our bedtime singing...his 2 sisters all join in and we have a great time most nights.
He just must get very self concious doing anything like that at school.

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ludaloo · 06/11/2007 14:01

Yep...I will definately go and speak with her in the morning...If things don't change then I guess its not the end of the world if he stays at home with me for the last couple of months is it...

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nimnom · 06/11/2007 14:02

IME 4 year old boys who do not want to sing and dance will not sing and dance and nobody can make them. I don't think that him sitting out is the answer though because, as has already been mentioned, he will have to join in at school.I'd have a strong word with teacher and make sure that she stops trying to force the issue and explain why.
Good Luck

sugarfree · 06/11/2007 14:21

"he will have to join in at school" but how nimnom? How does a teacher force a child to sing?

bunnyhunny · 06/11/2007 14:23

I am a music teacher, and occasionally (very rarely, oddly enough) I come across kids that don't like to sing. So I take them aside and tell them to pretend to sing. Eventually they join in.

ludaloo · 06/11/2007 14:33

The song he has most upset over is a song where they all get up and do actions to the words. They have to run, pretend to sleep, pretend to stamp, climb etc etc...
This is the song the leader actually pulled him up by the arm to do...I don't expect he sang along, but he probably did the actions purely because the leader was getting cross that he didn't want to join in with it

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nimnom · 06/11/2007 15:55

Sugarfree,
sorry I didn't make myself clear - no you most certainly cannot make someone sing, but at school IME the children are expected to join in with group activites and not sit out of something they don't enjoy or don't want to do, whether it is singing or anything else.

sugarfree · 06/11/2007 16:04

I see what you mean Nimnom,but it maybe a case of him standing,arms folded and a cutsbum mouth?
Which,incidently,I think is perfectly fine,Luda.
If you scan the ranks of school play things there is always at least one not toeing the party line.

nurseryvoice · 06/11/2007 18:49

What I would do if I was the leader.

have a very quiet word with the little munchkin and tell him he does not have to sing if hes a bit shy, but wed really like it for h im to sit in the group. he could sit next to the friend for confidence.

eventually he might join in but there again its not the end of the world if he doesnt.

i would ask him to choose a song for everyone to sing (remembering not to force him)

we always pick some children to pick our songs, some join in some dont, hey I dont sometimes i hate bob the builder for eg...

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