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Singer101 · 16/03/2018 10:54

I would love to get some honest opinions from either nursery nurses or nursery managers if possible. I posted on another website a couple of weeks ago but forgot my password!

So, I’ve been on trial in a nursery for around a month now, still settling in and finding my feet. It didn’t get off to the greatest start and I even wanted to leave at one point (was offered an interview elsewhere, turned it down and then when I asked about it again the vacancy had been closed). At this point I decided to stay as I felt I hadn’t given it a proper chance plus there wasn’t any other jobs available in my local area. A month into it now and there’s just so many things that I can’t get on board with.

First of all it’s more important to them that the place looks like a 5 star hotel rather than the children having a nice time and enjoying themselves. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing as hygiene is important and I know this but the children aren’t even aloud to walk around the room (especially toddlers) as and I quote because “it looks messy if a parent walks in and the children are all over the room” so we literally have to keep them on a mat all day. When I first started my job was to literally keep picking the children up and putting them back on the mat when they moved. I understand if they were in danger e.g climbing the steps or sitting by the door when someone could walk in but surely we can’t keep children to one confined space all day and they should be able to explore and move around??

We’re also not aloud to tell parents if their child has been upset or unsettled as “parents have been in work all day they don’t want to hear that”. I understand if a child has just cried/winged for no reason but shouldn’t we be honest with parents if their child has genuinely been unsettled?

Another thing (which I really really can’t understand and I have tried to) is that they don’t wipe children at nappy changes if their only wet. So a child could wee 7 times a day and not get wiped, surely this would cause a nappy rash? The reason we can’t use wipes on wet nappies is because parents don’t bring in their own (told not to by the nursery) so the nursery have to provide them but they want to save on money costs. I just followed their instructions as I really couldn’t be bothered with the confrontation (even though I’ve spoken to friends with children and they’ve all said they’ve never heard of it and they wouldn’t be happy with it if it was their child). The final straw, personally for me was when I was changing a soiled nappy yesterday and was told “nicely” not to wear gloves if I can help it, as again, because of money costs. When I pointed out hygiene reasons they said “oh just wash your hands afterwards”.

Other things that niggle me are that they don’t provide a staff rota so I literally haven’t got a clue what I’m working from one week to the next which makes it very difficult to plan things outside of work.

Am I mad to think they should be promoting wearing gloves and not trying to cut costs? I’ve noticed none of the staff, even the manager wear gloves or any sort of protection to change nappies. At this point I thought it’s their personal choice if they don’t want to wear them but surely I shouldn’t be punished for wanting to?
I understand not every job is perfect and when it comes to nurseries I do think you have to find one that suits you as their all ran so differently 🤔

I have an interview on Tuesday for a job in another nursery but just wanted to check am I being unreasonable or are they wrong? I just can’t get on board with some of their practices.

TIA

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Nannyplumssillyoldelf · 16/03/2018 11:00

That all sounds terrible especially not letting the children move off the mat. Children need to move around a lot especially toddlers. The wipes are bad too. If you want to wear gloves then just do it. I would change jobs then report them to ofstead.

newmumwithquestions · 16/03/2018 11:00

Sorry, I know you want nursery staff to respond but as a parent I think a lot of that is crazy!

Singer101 · 16/03/2018 11:17

Thank you for your input, it’s nice to get parents opinions too! I honestly thought I was going crazy as they really think it’s normal. I’m too bloody scared to wear gloves now when I’m changing nappies in case I get a bollocking. I didn’t even know what to say when the lady said to me “I’m asking you nicely not to wear gloves”. 😕 What I cant understand is that they want the place to be clean and tidy all the time but won’t wear gloves at nappy changes.

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Knowivedonewrong · 16/03/2018 11:48

Nursery Nurse here.
You should be wearing gloves and a disposable apron every time you change a nappy. Last nursery I worked in, aprons and gloves have to be changed at each nappy change.
As for the children on the mat that is dreadful.

I would be looking for another job.

This place sounds very set in its ways and the staff obviously haven't a clue about early years.

Afreshcuppateaplease · 16/03/2018 11:54

Ex-nn here

You should be wearing gloves and an apron and either cleaning the mat after each use of using paper roll

Not wiping the children is horrible

Good practice is to always share something positive as well as negative. So ... "James has been a little unsettled this afternoon but he really enjoyed playing with the leaves in the garden" Instead of "all he has done is cry"

And ive never heard anything so stupid as children making a nursery look untidy

Singer101 · 16/03/2018 11:57

I agree, I think their definitely stuck in their ways and don’t want to change. When I first started I was told to speak up and say if I didn’t agree with someone which I did yesterday r.e wearing gloves and I was completely dismissed so I can’t win either way. I think it’s a shame that they worry about the place being so tidy all the time and I imagine parents would expect to see a mess/children having a nice time.

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Singer101 · 16/03/2018 12:01

The other day I was told to take the children into the back room to play with the sand, I only had 3 children with me so it honestly wasn’t a mess and I was sat right next to them the whole. After 10 mins another staff member came and told me to stand up with the dust pan and brush and brush up the sand as the children played. I was constantly brushing underneath the children’s feet the whole time I don’t think they even enjoyed the activity in the end as I was just making them move all the time to brush up the sand.

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Afreshcuppateaplease · 16/03/2018 12:05

Is it a fairly new nursery?

Singer101 · 16/03/2018 12:07

No been open around 13 years I think x

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Afreshcuppateaplease · 16/03/2018 12:09

Well there goes that theory!

What is the ofsted rating?

Thisnameistaken · 16/03/2018 13:57

Sounds very odd. Does the rest of the staff just accept this? Find it strange that nobody else has reacted to these crazy routines? How do you keep children on a matt and not let them walk around?

Send an anonymous tip to Ofsted.

FineAsWeAre · 16/03/2018 17:19

You’re literally describing a nursery I worked at last year. The room I worked in was right above the office and I was always getting told off for the children ‘banging about’ (walking around). The resources were rubbish, they were cost cutting with everything and I was told not to wear gloves for wet nappies and one for soiled ones and not to change my apron in between. It was disgusting and I ended up walking out.

Goldenbug · 16/03/2018 19:37

The nursery is shit. Leave.

It would be good if you could pass on your concerns to ofsted, but I understand that you might not want to make a fuss in case it comes back on you somehow. Good luck.

ButtMuncher · 16/03/2018 20:30

As a Mum who has a son in nursery, I'd be alarmed if my son didn't make a mess whilst there Grin

My nursery are always honest (I hope) - they'll tell me if he's had a less than good day, and tell me why they think it might have been (teething, tired etc). I really value their honesty as I like to know how he's doing as he can't communicate with me yet.

I'd be looking for a new nursery, the hygiene thing is unacceptable - you need to feel not only that you are providing cleanliness to your children, but also that you yourself are hygienic. Oh and I wouldn't hesitate flagging those issues to Ofsted btw. As a Mum, I'd want you to.

OddBoots · 16/03/2018 20:36

None of that sounds like good practice there, I wouldn't like it as a parent or as a practitioner and I don't think ofsted would like it much either.

Good luck at the interview on Tuesday.

insancerre · 17/03/2018 09:08

Good luck at your interview
I am an experienced nursery manager and I have worked in nurseries for more years than I care to remember
You are not describing a good nursery
It sounds as if they are trying to cut costs by not using wipes and gloves
I know there are legitimate environmental concerns about how
much plastic we use in nurserys and there are suggestions to reduce it, such as wipeable aprons and not wearing gloves
I only wear gloves on one hand for this reason, but I don't think your nursery is concerned about the environment, it's a cost cutting exercise
You may not be aware of the financial implications of things like the 30 hours funding, the new pension law and the increase in the minimum wage. Lots of nurseries are having to close down because they can't make them financially viable. Lots more will be cutting corners while trying to balance the books
What your nursery should be doing is to ask parents to provide wipes and to put up fees to cover their costs so they can afford to buy essential items like gloves etc
But, if all the local competition all provide wipes etc then they may struggle with occupancy
Parents are choosing the cheapest option but with everything, you do get what you pay for
The nursery sector is absolutely stretched to braking point at the moment

insancerre · 17/03/2018 09:09
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Bubblysqueak · 17/03/2018 09:13

At the nursery i work at you must wear a clean apron and clean pair of gloves for each child and wash your hands and sanitised the entire area between each change.
Children are actively encouraged to sxore their environment, it's how they learn!
I have never recommended this before but I really think this should be reported to ofsted.

lardass88 · 17/03/2018 09:28

Nursery nurse with 20 years experience here. The nursery sounds awful and I definitely look to go elsewhere plus reporting any concerns you have to OFSTED

Singer101 · 17/03/2018 11:17

Sorry for late reply - thanks for all you replies, Interesting to see different points of views. I’m hoping the interview goes well in the new nursery on Tuesday, fingers crossed. I don’t think I can get on board with current nurseries practices so best I leave and find somewhere where I’ll be happy! Thanks again guys!

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PatchworkElmer · 17/03/2018 11:27

This is awful. I feel so sad for the children.

As a parent, walking into the nursery room, all I’m looking for is where DS is, and if he’s happy. We bring in our own nappies and wipes so that the nursery can support funded hours. I don’t mind doing this- DS loves his nursery, and I wouldn’t move him because of losing ‘free’ nappies. It didn’t put me off when we viewed the nursery because I just wanted to choose a nice setting for him.

PatchworkElmer · 17/03/2018 11:27

Good luck with your interview!

insancerre · 17/03/2018 11:34

I forgot to add that in my nursery we have a notice on the door, hand written by the children that says

" excuse the mess, we are busy making memories"

We also have a version of this
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We also have a mud kitchen in the garden and our babies play with shredded paper, flour and other messy activities

Our children are encouraged to make a mess but are are encouraged to tidy up too

Hopefully your interview will go well and you can leave

Singer101 · 17/03/2018 11:39

Oh I love that! Absolutely children should be able to make a mess, I wish this nursery could see that but as stated before I think their stuck in their ways!

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BarryTheKestrel · 17/03/2018 11:42

If I knew this was happening at my children's nursery I'd be pulling them out. It's not a good nursery at all. Being unable to move around must mean a lack of stimulation, activities, any kind of fun or learning at all. As for the hygiene, it's disgusting. They have recommendations about aprons and gloves for a reason. If my DD wasn't being wiped I'd know about it very quickly as she is prone to rashes, especially now she's potty trained and is determined to wipe herself, it's evident.

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