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Changes to Free Hours Funding - Are you aware of the implications

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lindsR · 02/09/2010 12:44

Hi there,

I am a mum of two children both currently in a privately run nursery, the eldest of which has been eligible for the free hours for about a year now. Last night I attended a crisis meeting at the nursery bought about by the changes in the legislation regarding the funding of free hours and have found out a lot of information regarding the situation which I think may be of interest to other parents whose children either receive the free hours already or are due to become eligible. Apologies this will be a long post, but hopefully worth reading...

As of 1st Sept this year, the legislation regarding the funding changes. The two main changes are firstly that the number of hours up to which (that phrase is important - remember it for later) a child is eligible has changed from 12.5 to 15 and secondly that unlike previously, childcare providers will no longer be allowed to charge a top up for the shortfall they receive from the funding. Sounds simple? Well not really, this second part will have a huge impact on the private nurseries providing the childcare as the amount of funding provided by the government is in many cases way below what it costs the provider to give the hours - the result of this is that many childcare providers are now considering withdrawing from the scheme altogether rather than bankrupt themselves by subsidising the governments scheme.

A few misconceptions about the free hours:

"All children are entitled to 15 hrs per week" - The actual entitlement is 'up to' 15 hours a week (for 38 weeks of the year). The childcare providers participating in the scheme have to declare to the local authority what funded sessions they will provide and stick to them. In other words you can't just get any 15 hrs in the week free a nurseries funded sessions could for example be 10-12, 14:00-16:00 every day. If your child only attended nursery on 2 or 3 days a week even though they may be doing more than 15 hrs in total, if there are less than 15hrs which occur in the 'funded sessions' then you will only get the funding for the ones occurring in the 'funded sessions'. Best thing to do here is talk to your nursery and find out which hours they are stating as their funded sessions and make sure your child is booked in for at least 15 of those to ensure that you get the full 15 hrs you're entitled to.

'the government provides 15 hrs free to all children over 3' - would be nice, but in reality the government isn't actually funding this. The amount of funding a nursery will get depends on the borough it's in (not sure what happens where children attend from outside the borough - whether they get the funding from the nurseries borough or the child?s borough). Different boroughs get different amounts of funding from the government also it's up to the individual boroughs how much they keep back for admin/budget contingency. So in some boroughs in London for example they are giving nurseries a reasonable £5.80/hr whilst where I am it is only £3.63/hr which is not enough to cover the nurseries staff costs let along premises, heating, equipment activities etc.

'nurseries have to provide 15 free hrs/week' - there is no obligation for privately run nurseries to take part in the funding scheme. They are well within their rights to decide to opt out of the scheme in which case you would not receive any funding for the hours that your child receives there.

The way pre-schools and private nurseries are funded is different. A pre-school will be funded for a set number of places e.g. 10 children regardless of how many actually attend (e.g. could only be 6). Private nurseries have to do a headcount each term and are given money per child in the headcount. Next year this will change to a single headcount per year which could cause further funding problems for the nurseries (e.g. a nursery which has 10 eligible children in April headcount will only get paid for 10 children for the whole year even if another 10 children became eligible for the hours in the September term).

Previously nurseries have been able to make up this huge shortfall in funding by allowing the parents to make up the difference. It varies nursery to nursery but many will simply just take the money received from the authority and deduct it from the overall bill (for the nursery my kids attend they calculated £3.63 x 12.5 hrs X 38 weeks then divided by 12 months which then gives a figure which they deduct from our bill each month. As of this month it will no longer be legal for the nurseries to do this. This will leave them with a shortfall of nearly £30,000 in funding over the year - clearly unsustainable. This has left them with a very difficult decision

  1. Do they swallow the costs? If so they will likely go bankrupt, 63 children will lose their places in a nursery they and their parents love and a number of staff will loose their jobs.

  2. Do they put up fees across the board to make up the difference? Will stop them going bankrupt but isn't very fair to all the parents of the other children at the nursery which aren't eligible for the free hours as they will effectively be subsidising the governments scheme for the other children.

  3. Withdraw from the scheme entirely in which case the children currently receiving the funding will loose their funding.

These will be the same decisions that a number of nurseries will have to make over the next few weeks. Speaking to the nursery owner and manager who are in contact with a lot of the other nurseries in the area it seems like a lot of nurseries haven't yet realised the implications of what has happened and are only just waking up to it now everyone has returned from holidays. In our area there has been no notification from the local authority to the nurseries regarding the funding changes - they only became aware of it themselves by studying the legislation in detail - the conservatives made a pre-election promise that they would remove the clause prohibiting the top up option from the legislation, but now they have reneged on that promise.

I believe the result of these changes is that a large number of privately run nurseries will withdraw from the funding scheme altogether as it is financially unsustainable for them. If not now (as it may be too late for this term) then they will likely make the move in January. This will mean a large number of children will loose access to funded places as there is unlikely to be sufficient space in community nurseries/pre-schools to make up the number of places needed.

I would urge any parent currently receiving or about to receive funding to discuss this matter with your childcare provided to find out what they are doing about it (or if they are even aware of it) and also to lobby your local MP if like me you think this is an unsustainable situation.

I have also found a petition which people can sign up to register their concern about the changes: www.freechildcare.org.uk/our-petition/

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CarGirl · 04/09/2010 19:36

I think you're stuck over a barrel because if you report them to EYFS then they may well withdraw from the scheme altogether.

I was on the committee of our charitable preschool and truly the grants are not sufficient for them to break even on so I'm not surprised the nursery are opertaing in that way.

StarlightMcKenzie · 04/09/2010 19:47

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CarGirl · 04/09/2010 19:56

Starlight you are referring to a daycare nursery. Pre-schools operate for 37 weeks a year but have to pay rent and rates for 52 weeks it is a real struggle for them to offer good quality pre-school "education" on the money the governments wants to give them. I think they only way we could do it is by having maximum numbers per adult, not opening for the sessions unless there was 100% take up for that session, not using consumable craft items, cooking etc etc etc oh that and paying all the staff the minimum wage and no more.

HSMM · 05/09/2010 08:46

I am a childminder and i cannot afford to offer parents their free 15 hours, because the funding i will get is less than my normal hourly rate. As others have said, i cannot charge a top up fee to cover the difference. I have been campaigning about this, because i feel the government have effectively stopped the parents of children in my care getting their funding for 3 yr olds.

Lougle · 05/09/2010 09:49

Code of Practice here

lindsR there are some inaccuracies in your OP and subsequent post. I would suspect this is because you have been told your nursery's interpretation of the new legislation, rather than information directly from your LA.

The actual entitlement is 570 hours of free early years education over a minimum of 38 weeks. This can be, for example:

15 hours per week for 38 weeks
11 hours per week for 52 weeks
12.5 hours per week for 45 weeks

It is not up to 15 hours per week it is a maximum of 15 hours per week because providers must offer a minimum of 38 weeks per year.

All care provided during the 15 must be free at point of access and the Code of Practice is clear that it must not be presented as a cash reduction, or a 'grant'. It is a free place.

I would be very surprised if a provider is allowed to specify 'free sessions', as the key for the new 15 hour entitlement is flexibility. Parents are allowed to access 15 hours over at least 3 days for at least 38 weeks per year.

Providers are free to increase their fees for the remaining hours outside the 15 free hours, and many have done so.

Headcounts are termly unless a provider is a school nursery, in which case it is done on the same basis as the school with a yearly headcount.

The code makes it very clear that additional funding should be provided if a child starts after the headcount is done.

Don't get me wrong, it is a challenge, I am on the committee of a preschool myself, and we have had to think carefully about how to manage the system (we were on the pathfinder scheme, so have been offering 15 hours for a year now). But your nursery have unfairly represented the situation to you.

SurreyDad · 05/09/2010 16:19

I agree with Lougle. Childcare Providers CAN set their own free sessions, but are NOT under an obligation to.

noko · 05/09/2010 16:49

my ds goes from 8 to 6, 3days a weeks and i pay £160 weekly. and if i understand what you said i can have 15 hours off the weekly bill.

noko · 05/09/2010 16:56

and i was wondering how long do you have to wait for the funding to start?

atworknotworking · 05/09/2010 18:11

noko Its the term after your childs 3rd birthday.

However not all private nurseries offer the flexible entitlement. So worth checking.

CarGirl · 05/09/2010 18:42

noko nurseries do not have to sign up to EYFS and offer free sessions at all.

noko · 06/09/2010 17:58

i went to the nursery today and asked them abouth the free sessions. the manager asked me to sign a form so they can claim it. my ds was 3 last december

Bunnyjo · 09/09/2010 21:55

Thanks Lougle

DD's private nursery operates to the 570hrs over a minimum of 38wk period. I was told, by our nursery, that we could choose to use up our free entitlement over the school holiday period eg. DD could 4 x 3 hr sessions per week and 'bank' the remaining hours to be used over school holidays. Equally DD could also do full days and use up our entitlement that way.

As a few other posters have said, not all nurseries sign up to free entitlement. BUT equally, not all nurseries are rigid in the timetable of free sessions they offer. It really is worth checking out a variety of nurseries, as some are much more flexible than others.

Betmid · 10/09/2010 22:37

Ok, here goes .... I am a nursery owner. I hope I do not regret this posting.

We have spent hours, days and weeks trying to find a way around the new Code of Practice to enable us to stay in the Government Grant Scheme. Fee structures have had to be changed, forms compiled, computer programmes changed, parents written to and payment details changed and still we may not be able to stay in the scheme at some of our nurseries. We also receive no money for all this administration or the collation of all our parents forms and the census etc etc etc every term.
We have a nursery in the south east which charges £55 per day. We will receive maybe £4 per hour (but figure not actually known yet and provider agreement with the Council also not actually received yet although we are expected to adhere to the terms and conditions from 1st Sept!). We are also now being told that we must offer the 15 hours grant sesion as a standalone place ie. without the ability to charge parents for lunch, snacks, or ask them to pay for the rest of the session or day (depending on if half days are offered or not). So, instead of receiving £55 for an 11 hour day (we only offer full days) we will get, if we are lucky to get a 15 hours child, say ams across the week, and another pms across the week £24 (£4 x 6 hours)which will result in a loss of £31 per day x 5 days = £155 x 38 weeks = £5,890 + 14 weeks holidays when you will receive no government funding and quite frankly you will probably not fill those places = £3,850 = total loss for one full time place = £9,740 x this by the number of 3+ places you may have to offer? let's say 10 = £97,400!!!
I am sorry but this is not even an option for our nursery. We go into a big loss so how can we continue? I can't fund losses, I will run out of cash and then go bust. I am not a government department who can spend, spend, spend and never run out of money!
I have no choice but to pull out of the scheme but I am so sorry for our parents who will lose the "free" entitlement. I am sorry but it is not free it is subsidised by the nurseries. We receive less funding than schools. they have a child to staff ratio of 1:13 we have 1:8 for our 3 years olds although we endeavour to work to a better ratio most of the time.
I do not want to pull out but the alternative is to close. So I have to try and continue for our staff and parents which means leaving the scheme.
And now for the political bit....
The Conservative Govt pre-election did say that they would allow top up but clearly the Lib Dems yet again have won their point as they did not want to allow it. So I will leave the scheme but ......... wait a minute that means that if parents do decide to stay with us that they will not claim the grant which will reduce the Govt's childcare costs which will reduce their deficit...well there you go perhaps we have found the true reason for such a ridiculous code of practice. Preschools and state nurseries do a very good job of offering part time sessions for non working parents and this scheme condition whereby we must offer a standalone session of 15 hours or else is discrimination against our working parents and thus is just a ruse to get mums to stay at home (because they cannot afford the childcare) thus releasing a job into the jobs market to reduce the number of unemployed well... there you go.

Apologies for the rant but the government does not know how to run a business hence the huge deficit from the spend spend years. I thought the Conservatives were pro business but clearly I was misled.

ronshar · 10/09/2010 23:00

What a mess.
When my 2 dds went through nursery I was given a bill each month and I paid it. Some months were more than others due to the funding.
I am about to put ds into nursery and I am having a headache already about how the funding works.

This is discrimnation against working mothers.
It is ok if you can spend your day going to and fro a preschool but what if you work? How on earth are you supposed to afford to work if they pull the funding at your local nursery?
Nightmare.

pudding25 · 10/09/2010 23:14

I am really confused. Please can someone clarify. DD won't actually be entitled to the 15 hrs until next Sept (when things may be different anyway). She is in daycare 2 days per week at £62 per day. I was under the impression that if she stays there (if she doesn't get into the preschool nursery I want for her) then I would just pay for the number of hours she goes -15 hrs. Is this not the case?
Thanks.

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