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Just a little question from a non-muslim - how many of you would be accepting of gay/lesbian/bisexual kids?

25 replies

Lilieee · 09/07/2024 00:44

Like if your DC came out to you what would be your reaction?

I was a bit interested since I saw a twitter post saying that 93% of muslims would not be accepting of an lgbt DC, and I wasn't sure how that compares to real life.

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Lilieee · 09/07/2024 00:44

I hope it doesn't come off as disrespectful or unpleasant in any way - that was not the aim of this post!

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zeddybrek · 09/07/2024 01:06

There's 2 sides to this. How they think they will react and what actually happens. I have a trans second cousin, we were just happy for them and it didn't change anything. Also another family member came out and it was also fine. However my wider family takes an each to their own view. However I do think many conservative families might take a different view. There are over a billion Muslims so you'll get lots of different responses. Also there is an overlap between what Islam states and what is culturally in/acceptable. For a more progressive view have a read of Inclusive Mosque Initiative.

PollyandOlly · 09/07/2024 01:14

Gay yes, trans no.

Lilieee · 09/07/2024 01:18

zeddybrek · 09/07/2024 01:06

There's 2 sides to this. How they think they will react and what actually happens. I have a trans second cousin, we were just happy for them and it didn't change anything. Also another family member came out and it was also fine. However my wider family takes an each to their own view. However I do think many conservative families might take a different view. There are over a billion Muslims so you'll get lots of different responses. Also there is an overlap between what Islam states and what is culturally in/acceptable. For a more progressive view have a read of Inclusive Mosque Initiative.

Thanks a lot for the reply!

I was thinking that attitudes probably vary person-to-person!

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Lilieee · 09/07/2024 01:18

PollyandOlly · 09/07/2024 01:14

Gay yes, trans no.

Why not trans?

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NCPeople · 09/07/2024 01:41

NC for this so I can answer honestly.

I think it’s one of those where the reality is likely to be different to a hypothetical situation.

I have a gay brother. He came out to my parents a few years ago in his mid 30s, but they had their suspicions so were really pressuring him to marry until then. They have not disowned him or said anything unsupportive to him, but genuinely I don’t think they understand homosexuality because it’s not an open thing in their home country.

They think being gay simply means having gay sex so they don’t understand why he can’t just marry a woman. They also don’t believe it genuinely exists and see it as a lifestyle choice so don’t understand why he’s choosing it rather than the simpler option of a wife and family. They often pray that he will find religion again, and that a woman will cross his path that he will be so mesmerised by that he’ll drop everything and marry her. They often wonder what happened to him in his teens to take him down this path. They blame his first holiday abroad and are convinced he was led astray by someone gay.

They come from a culture and religion where homosexuality does not exist. The funny thing is I tell them it does exist in their home country but very hidden away and they say well there were men who slept with other men but it’s because women couldn’t have sex before marriage so they slept with other men to meet their needs.

My parents are university educated professionals…they just don’t believe homosexuality exists.

They’ve never said any of this to my brother. Before he came out they often said being gay is one of the worst things someone can be, so they were very closed minded about sexuality. When he came out he was quite upset so they said all the right things about how he’s their son and they love him no matter what. And they’ve never treated him differently. They just asked that no one finds out, and that is their biggest fear - that someone from the community will find out.

Recently, extended family started to gossip that my brother is gay and it got back to my parents - my brother is 40, never had a girlfriend, all his Facebook friends are open gay men and he has the pride flag posted, so it’s pretty obvious. My parents were devastated and my mum’s health took a turn for the worst. I had to reassure them they know nothing, it’s just speculation, but it was tough on them.

The biggest test will be when my brother meets someone serious. I do believe they will accept that my brother has a very close friend. But whether they would attend a gay wedding, I don’t know.

But that’s why I say reality is likely different to to a hypothetical situation. My parents were and probably still are in that 93%. But when faced with the reality of having a gay son, they’ve shown nothing but love and kindness. My brother has other gay Muslim friends whose parents have all had the same response - acceptance, but please don’t let anyone find out.

pandasorous · 09/07/2024 02:55

I mean 2 billion muslims in the world. impossible to generalise.

what people do with their genitals is not my business. so I just have a normal relationship as I would with someone straight. I'm pretty sure there are closeted individuals in my family, I just don't get involved.

in terms of Islam sex or sexual interaction of any kind outside of marriage is forbidden and a major sin. but it is not upto individual Muslims to police what other people (Muslim or non muslim) do in their private lives.
committing any forbidden acts takes that individual outside the fold of Islam (this includes drinking alcohol, eating pork etc. as well) temporarily or permanently depending on the intention/whether the person has faith etc. but that relates more to that individual's personal relationship with God so not for others to get involved. and also not everyone born into a Muslim family has to be Muslim or practise Islam so that's a matter for that individual.

pandasorous · 09/07/2024 02:57

ps I am south Asian and it's very common for parents to "marry off" their gay sons to save face/hope they will change/continue the blood line. happened to a girl I know who only found out after marriage. absolutely awful. poor girl was totally crushed.

Ozanj · 09/07/2024 12:39

The acceptance (or not) of homosexuality isn’t just a muslim problem. Generally in countries / regions that disapprove of homosexuality almost all religious people feel the same regardless of religion.

For example Israel’s legal acceptance of homosexuality is something that only extends to tourists - ask any local gay person of Jewish / Christian origin how they are treated and they may tell you some horrific stories.

In India, despite homosexuality being in some of the oldest hindu texts, hindu men and women who come out are often killed by their own families. That’s why Pride in India often advises gay men and lesbians to marry each other if they can’t leave the country and there are even confidential introduction services specifically for this purpose.

Scirocco · 09/07/2024 17:53

@Lilieee I love my DC. Whoever they love is welcome to be part of our family (unless they're an axe murderer or something, then I might have reservations).

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poshsnobtwit · 12/07/2024 17:01

I think it'll be the same with all the Abrahamic religions - you will have people who are Muslim/christian/jewish by name but aren't religious, and they are more likely to be ok with it. Those who are religious and believe in revelation will be against it, as AFAIK all three condemn it. I don't know of any gay Muslims but I had a colleague who was quite traditionally christian and her son came out as gay and they paid for him to go to a conversion type camp thing when he was in his mid 20s. He's still gay (!) and has a long term partner, everyone in the family knows and they see them etc but it's the elephant in the room that no one talks about. They aren't married and colleague said that she'd draw the line there, ie wouldn't attend their wedding.

headstone · 17/07/2024 18:19

I would accept, my DH wouldn’t. If this happens I think we would divorce which would be quite sad so I hope they won’t be, however my brother is gay and I wonder if there is a gay gene they could inherit.

LaRaLaRa · 05/08/2024 17:20

Appreciate this is a little old but only found this section recently!
If I’m honest I think most families I know would be okay with same sex relationships bit struggle with trans and on a personal level I think that is quite common amongst religious and non religious people in general. I think people find trans harder because the child you had becomes someone else. I think that would be hard for most.

interesting what @Ozanj did about Israel. I have met people from Israel quite a few years ago now and it is not the impression I got. Also found this quote useful read in that regards.

https://www.keshetuk.org/uploads/1/3/8/6/13861493/keshet_uk_factsheet_israel_mar13_v3.pdf

https://www.keshetuk.org/uploads/1/3/8/6/13861493/keshet_uk_factsheet_israel_mar13_v3.pdf

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 02/11/2024 21:12

headstone · 17/07/2024 18:19

I would accept, my DH wouldn’t. If this happens I think we would divorce which would be quite sad so I hope they won’t be, however my brother is gay and I wonder if there is a gay gene they could inherit.

"Gay genes" do not exist.

whytetulip · 03/11/2024 14:30

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 02/11/2024 21:12

"Gay genes" do not exist.

How do you know?

Darkautumnnights · 24/11/2024 14:48

Ozanj · 09/07/2024 12:39

The acceptance (or not) of homosexuality isn’t just a muslim problem. Generally in countries / regions that disapprove of homosexuality almost all religious people feel the same regardless of religion.

For example Israel’s legal acceptance of homosexuality is something that only extends to tourists - ask any local gay person of Jewish / Christian origin how they are treated and they may tell you some horrific stories.

In India, despite homosexuality being in some of the oldest hindu texts, hindu men and women who come out are often killed by their own families. That’s why Pride in India often advises gay men and lesbians to marry each other if they can’t leave the country and there are even confidential introduction services specifically for this purpose.

Re Israel that really isn’t true. I suspect it almost certainly is in orthodox circles but as a mainly secular country that’s not the general feeling at all. There’s a huge open and active gay community and gay pride in tel Aviv is one of the biggest in the world. It is incredibly accepted by mainstream community

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 25/11/2024 20:50

whytetulip · 03/11/2024 14:30

How do you know?

Science...

whytetulip · 26/11/2024 14:14

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 25/11/2024 20:50

Science...

When was that disproven exactly?

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 26/11/2024 17:33

whytetulip · 26/11/2024 14:14

When was that disproven exactly?

Do you understand how dna and genetics work?

whytetulip · 26/11/2024 18:31

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 26/11/2024 17:33

Do you understand how dna and genetics work?

Why dont you enlighten me?

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 26/11/2024 19:55

whytetulip · 26/11/2024 18:31

Why dont you enlighten me?

Google it.

whytetulip · 26/11/2024 21:21

Dontknowwhattodo223 · 26/11/2024 19:55

Google it.

Or you could try to back up the claim you're making.

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