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I've just discovered opera

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PoachesPeaches · 18/09/2024 11:39

I've been looking for something new and inspiring to bring me joy alongside day to day life and I've found it!

It was Habanera from Carmen that got me!

I'm going to try and see it next year. What else will I like?

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ASphinx · 19/09/2024 11:08

Poledra · 19/09/2024 10:36

I've never been to see an opera but listen a lot. My absolute favourite is Bellini's Norma - the aria Casta la Diva is perfection. Try listening to Joan Sutherland or Renee Fleming singing it.

Montserrat Caballé is my Norma of choice! There’s a recording (bits prob on YouTube) of an open-air production in the amphitheatre at Orange in 74 which was a famous near-disaster because a storm blew in after the spectators had arrived, everyone was fighting backstage about whether it was even safe to go ahead, the wind was so strong, the singers decided to go for it, and even though Caballé was about to have a serious operation and was scared for her health, and the costumes, scenery, hair, everything is flapping and blowing around (and the costume designer was afraid Caballé’s huge veil was going to split) and the orchestra had to clothespeg their music to the stands, and you can hear the wind throughout the recording, but her ’Casta Diva’ is just gorgeous.

(Agree René Fleming’s also very good.)

ASphinx · 19/09/2024 11:10

This is the ‘Casta Diva’ from Orange. Note all the flapping druids and how you can hear the wind loudly at all quiet moments!

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Poledra · 19/09/2024 11:15

Thanks @ASphinx, I'll save that to watch over the weekend!

PoachesPeaches · 19/09/2024 11:45

That's so special when music or a performance can make you cry. I liken it to literally pulling tears from your heart. The only time I had that before was watching No Fit State Circus. I'll try and find a clip of the specific performance although no doubt you had to be there!

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RaraRachael · 19/09/2024 11:51

My mother's friend used to describe opera as "Fat women bawling into each other's faces"

I think opera can be a bit marmite.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 19/09/2024 11:55

I saw the marriage of figaro at the festival too! I thought it was brilliant. I've been listening to a recording of it loads.

And I saw carmen.

I'm in Finland just now and Salomé is on soon so I'm going to see that.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/09/2024 12:05

I've hardly ever been to the opera but have quite a few on CD (not listened for years, though - got out of the habit). My absolute favourite piece of music is from Mozart's Così fan tutte – Act I trio ‘Soave sia il vento’

Also love Carmen. We have a complete recording with Maria Callas, which is marvellous.

I'd also recommend Benjamin Britten's Peter Grimes. Terribly sad, beautiful music, requires real acting from the cast, all in English (so more accessible than some operas).

EasternStandard · 19/09/2024 12:07

My last opera was the Marriage of Figaro at the Royal Opera House Covent Garden

Absolutely beautiful, the stage felt like a Vermeer painting

ASphinx · 19/09/2024 12:10

RaraRachael · 19/09/2024 11:51

My mother's friend used to describe opera as "Fat women bawling into each other's faces"

I think opera can be a bit marmite.

Leaving aside the unpleasant sizeism of your mother’s friend’s comment, you embrace the frankly unlikely types of suspension of disbelief you are required to do with opera, or you don’t.

Yes, a forty-something, matronly soprano from Kansas is sometimes playing a wispy consumptive Parisian seamstress or a 15 year old Japanese bride of convenience, or a woman is playing roles traditionally written for castrated male singers, or we get heavily involved in a frankly mad plots in which a vengeful gypsy, charged by her mother to avenge herself on the noble family who burned her at the stake, accidentally throws the wrong baby into the fire, or two men test their girlfriends’ fidelity by pretending to go off to war, only to return dressed as sexy Albanians who threaten to poison themselves if they don’t get a kiss etc etc.

It’s mad. But I think easier to suspend disbelief when you’re at a live production with singers and chorus and orchestra and costumes and sets and a whole audience listening, and when you know the music there’s the pleasure of recognising different tempi or interpretations etc.

I mean, I can look at that clip from the 1974 Norma and recognise that it’s in one sense an overweight woman with very 70s make up and a terrible headdress singing a hymn to the moon among a lot of chorus members in Druid costumes that look like sheets flapping on the clothesline, but also that it’s an astonishing performance, full of heart and skill and guts and intelligence, and that it takes serious nerve to sing that pianissimo outdoors in a windstorm! And is very beautiful.

PoachesPeaches · 19/09/2024 13:16

Has anyone been to Glyndebourne? I feel opera in the open air would be especially amazing.

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tam23 · 19/09/2024 13:24

@PoachesPeaches Glyndebourne is sublime. The festival is expensive (not a fan of standing!). The tour in October is much more reasonable and you can still have good enough weather for a picnic. Thoroughly recommended. The sound quality is amazing as the auditorium was designed to provide perfect sound wherever you sit.

PoachesPeaches · 19/09/2024 13:28

I always said that for music I would never be confined to a genre. I mean I draw the line at gabba!

I must say it sounds incredible on my Sony XM4 headphones - I mean incredible. Like the female voice is soaring and the grainy depth of the male voice floats and the warmth of the orchestra 😂 I'm on Act 2 of Rigolletto, thank you the person who suggested that.

I am just in heaven.

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PoachesPeaches · 19/09/2024 13:30

tam23 · 19/09/2024 13:24

@PoachesPeaches Glyndebourne is sublime. The festival is expensive (not a fan of standing!). The tour in October is much more reasonable and you can still have good enough weather for a picnic. Thoroughly recommended. The sound quality is amazing as the auditorium was designed to provide perfect sound wherever you sit.

Thank you, I will have a look. I almost worked the festival as a waitress in my 20s!

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PoachesPeaches · 19/09/2024 13:36

DryIce · 19/09/2024 09:20

This is very inspiring, I used to go with my grandmother as a child and haven't been for decades! I am going to make going to the opera my new mission.

What should I see in London?

Do it! I'm going to look into meetup.com to see if they have an opera group as I feel I need some opera friends!

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Fraaahnces · 19/09/2024 13:38

The Magic Flute - Mozart was a bit of a feminist and a man of the people. In his operas the women always come out on top of the men - because they’re always smarter, kinder, better. He genuinely loved and respected them. The peasants always came out on top of the lords and ladies (mostly the buffoon lords who throw their entitlement around at their own expense.)
This is The Queen of the Night - knocking socks off with the most amazing aria. She is threatening her daughter (the good girl)about what will befall her if she dares find her father. (Plot twist - unlike other Moz. operas, he’s a good bloke in this one, and Queenie’s nursing a bit of a broken heart. Maybe a teensy grudge too.)

bluecomputerscreen · 19/09/2024 13:52

Fraaahnces · 19/09/2024 13:38

The Magic Flute - Mozart was a bit of a feminist and a man of the people. In his operas the women always come out on top of the men - because they’re always smarter, kinder, better. He genuinely loved and respected them. The peasants always came out on top of the lords and ladies (mostly the buffoon lords who throw their entitlement around at their own expense.)
This is The Queen of the Night - knocking socks off with the most amazing aria. She is threatening her daughter (the good girl)about what will befall her if she dares find her father. (Plot twist - unlike other Moz. operas, he’s a good bloke in this one, and Queenie’s nursing a bit of a broken heart. Maybe a teensy grudge too.)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLs-Z47oFYw

<shivers down the spine>

StarGirrrl77 · 19/09/2024 14:03

A good tip for you, if you go anywhere on holiday with an opera house, it's much cheaper! I saw Don Giovanni in Prague for 12 euros, and more recently I saw La Traviata in Riga for about the same price. The Riga holiday was a solo trip and I loved it, sitting in the circle with another lady who seemed to be on her own, although she was Latvian we managed to have a bit of a conversation, and we were both in floods of tears by the end. It was absolutely magical! Just to be there in front of actors and performers and the orchestra, the hairs are standing up on the back of my neck just thinking about it. I'm hoping to go back near Christmas, this time with my boys, and time it for a performance of The Nutcracker.

Fraaahnces · 19/09/2024 14:07

A couple of duets from Bizet’s “The Pearl Fishers”…
First the boys…
They’re rowing a boat up a river in India and spot a beautiful princess bathing. They immediately fall for her. The beginning is when they each spot her, and about 2mins in, it has built up to the most luscious, romantic vision of two men madly, passionately in love. You can hear how baritone and tenor parts are used to create romantic tropes… *This is a very old recording, but the best version IMO. (A lot of tenors are not believable love interests but this one is manly!)

Now for the girls:- The duet from “Lakme” by Delibes…This time two lovely women (also from the East) are talking together about falling in love… You can hear the two soprano types (mezzo and soubrette) woven together. The mezzo is the maid and the soubrette is the princess.

TizerorFizz · 19/09/2024 17:13

@DryIce Go to the Royal Opera House in London. It’s very special. There’s also Opera Holland Park.

@PoachesPeaches You might also
like Garsington Opera. It’s on the Wormsley Estate nearish to High Wycombe.

cloudjumper · 19/09/2024 17:27

The Magic Flute is absolutely lovely, so entertaining!
And La Traviata is amazing (but take tissues).

Carthorses · 19/09/2024 19:56

The Garsington opera is near the primary school my grandson attended.Members of the company gave workshops for the year 6 pupils at the school. The children then went to a performance of the opera, with other schools.
I believe they are still doing this. Such a marvellous experience, I'd like that too.

MingingTiles · 19/09/2024 20:01

To PP who mentioned ETO, I would really recommend them if you get a chance. They tend to use really interesting young early career singers and it gives everything a real freshness. Plus they are so affordable- absolute model of a modern opera company.

OP, Glyndebourne is fab but you don’t hear the opera in the open air- you have your picnic outside but the opera inside. Ditto Garsington, which I’ve only been to once but was vg.

Midlifeshenanigans · 19/09/2024 20:18

@PoachesPeaches I’m new to opera too but keen to go to see a live performance in London so always happy to meet up if you don’t want to go alone

DryIce · 19/09/2024 20:57

PoachesPeaches · 19/09/2024 13:36

Do it! I'm going to look into meetup.com to see if they have an opera group as I feel I need some opera friends!

Make your own, OP, I will join Opera Club!

sashh · 20/09/2024 03:46

Carmen is a great start.

If you want Opera in English then English National Opera is great.

English Touring Opera are great for anyone new to Opera, they tour, as is in the name and do a lot of outreach and workshops.

So you might not get a full opera but you could get one of the characters speaking to the audience and telling them what has happened or is happening.

You might also get a performance in a church hall with tickets at £10.

At Xmas there was a TV showing of Madam Butterfly staged on Sydney Harbour it might still be available on catch up - worth a watch.

I also love Don Giovanni I've seen it a couple of times, once in Sydney Opera house. I think that was my favourite but that might be influenced by the very attractive Don making his entrance half naked from a first floor window.