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Instrument Players - Come and chat (Part II)

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CoteDAzur · 07/11/2017 17:02

Previous thread is here.

We filled one thread, so here’s another Smile

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CoteDAzur · 06/04/2018 10:16

Re Improvisation - I think it is much easier to improvise on an existing melody AND in a single "thread". What Alma does astonishingly well is that she creates music out of nowhere, based on a few notes she is given, AND it's both right and left hand at the same time, without a single false note. Her musical construction is not terribly simple, and she dares to leave in a tangent for far-off cadences (like, at 1:35 in the second video below) in a way that is not always self-evident but concludes masterfully. Again, with both hands. It's amazing.

Mistigri - Without meaning to downplay your DC's improvisation Smile and having played both the guitar and the piano, I must say that chords and improvisation within them is much easier on the guitar than the piano. That's because on the guitar you can see and remember the chords visually, with just one position of your left hand. I'm sure that there is a name for this that I don't know or can't recall, but it's the graphic depiction of guitar chords on every sheet music.

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Mistigri · 06/04/2018 17:00

I totally agree Côte, it's not the same level at all - the point was more about the idea that you can learn to improvise, it's just that most classical students don't (presumably because exam curricula do not impose improvisation as a skill that should be measured, and most teachers aren't in the habit of teaching it).

I think what happens to many good musicians is that they spend the period when learning is easiest (i.e. childhood) concentrating on technique and interpreting other people's music, and that the route to improvisation gradually gets blocked off by fear of failure.

I also think theory is often badly taught (as an exam passing exercise, or - as is the case here in France - primarily as a means of training orchestral players who need to be able to read notes and rhythms well). DS has a far greater understanding of the building blocks of music than DD or I have.

All the musicians I know who are really good at improvising are either self-taught or have done some jazz classes, and for most it was a fundamental part of their musicianship right from the start. It seems to be quite hard to "tack on" improvising skills at a later date.

CoteDAzur · 06/04/2018 22:01

Yes, I agree with all that you say. It is a shame that improvisation is not part of the musical curriculum, from a very early age. Alma is taught improvisation via Skype, apparently.

I only just started music theory (Formation Musicale) since September so have nothing to compare it to, but already I can see how it would be useful in writing music. Instant improvisation is another ball game entirely, of course.

It seems I can actually write music, by the way. My teacher suggested that I write a variation for Anthony Young's Ground (which I linked to downthread), and she was rather amazed by what I produced, but 1-minute variation took me several hours at the piano.

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Mistigri · 07/04/2018 22:36

Having listened to DS so much I now understand better how to improvise, but actually doing it is another matter. A lot of it is about learning patterns and transposing them (easier on guitar than on piano of course).

I am still working at the fugue (no. 2 from the first WTC book), can play it slowly hands together now. It requires some interesting fingering but isn't hard. Just need to speed it up now....

Broken11Girl · 29/04/2018 08:38

I can't improvise. I dabble in composing but it's awful. I should learn more about harmony tbh, did g5 theory as a teen but don't remember much.
Oooo Cote you composed, please do record and put up a link Grin
DM and I were treated to a violin recital by my DNiece1, age 6, at Easter - thankfully beyond the cats screwing stage, but not pleasant, bless her. Tbh the violin is only bearable to listen to by anyone who isn't their DM/ Nan/ aunt after about g5 imo.

CoteDAzur · 30/04/2018 16:51

Broken - I'll record Anthony Young's Ground next week, when this interminable school holiday ends & I can go back to the Conservatory. See if you can figure out which variation is mine Wink

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CoteDAzur · 30/04/2018 17:24

Meanwhile, I'm done with Handel's Chaconne and currently working on Rameau's Les Trois Mains, called this because it sounds like 3 hands are playing. It's insane Shock

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CoteDAzur · 30/04/2018 17:25

Called thus

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 01/05/2018 13:28

I'm still on Bach's partita and Beethoven's Pathetique. Can't record because everything is too long and my phone has run out of space ...

CoteDAzur · 01/05/2018 18:10

Excuses, excuses Grin

I'm sure you're doing brilliantly, Never.

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Mistigri · 09/05/2018 17:04

It's quiet in here ... I have seven weeks to get my pieces polished for a concert in early July. I'm playing Bach (a prelude and fugue, would never have thought this possible!), a Scarlatti sonata and a piece by Fauré.

The fugue is probably the hardest technically but because it can be played at quite a stately pace it is OK. The prelude has a presto section which is one of those bits that you just have to let your fingers play and hope it all holds together. My teacher has persuaded me to learn it by heart which will probably help.

It feels like I am progressing faster now compared to earlier in the year when it sometimes felt like I was putting in a lot for effort for not much return.

Guitar has been completely neglected though so I need to get my DS to rehearse with me for the end-of-year show. He is way better than me now (might have something to do with the 8 hour long practice sessions lol).

NeverEverAnythingEver · 10/05/2018 08:16

I find it quite difficult to learn pieces by heart. I keep wondering about that, because clearly one remembers large chunks of it. How do you do it Misti?

CoteDAzur · 10/05/2018 09:18

Well done Mistigri. It sounds like you have really progressed.

7 weeks is a long time to keep your repertoire in top shape, though. Once you know those pieces well, you should try to play them in different rhythms - not just fast or slow but in counter-rhytms. Less appui on the notes you would normally have more, and vice versa. (I'm not explaining this well Grin)

My teacher that was so that your brain gets used to the wrong rhythm as well as the right one and if you make a mistake you can recover from it much better. It worked for me before the last big concert we had.

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LooseAtTheSeams · 11/05/2018 08:55

Brilliant work, Misti!
My practice has been abysmal recently, mainly due to work and causing chaos in the house by moving stuff around! However, I do think I will take G5 in the autumn term - and then stop doing exams!

CoteDAzur · 11/05/2018 09:32

I can now play Rameau's Les Trois Mains Grin

I spent hours on the piano every day during the second week of the holidays and came back to my first lesson playing it fluently & at speed. My teacher was Shock. It's so obsessive and fun to play!

I'm also going through the Fischer's Melpomene suite from his Musical Parnassus now.

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 22/05/2018 21:55

I want to play a haydn sonata. Any recommendations?

Broken11Girl · 22/05/2018 22:55

No recording yet Cote, come on Grin You can play a piece called 'The Three Hands'?! We need to see that too. Is it like a fugue?
Go for it Loose, yay for g5.
Never the A flat major sonata Hob.XVI:43 is pleasant. I did the 2nd movt for g4, the rest is advanced. The B flat Hob.XVI:2 is also lovely, mvt 2 is on my list for one day.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 23/05/2018 08:43

Thanks Broken. But I might be sucked into another C minor piece ... Hmm...

NeverEverAnythingEver · 24/05/2018 20:12

I have listened to Hob XVI:32, 40, 49, 50 and I might learn ALL OF THEM. Grin

Does anyone remember somebody mentioning how many pieces one should keep at performance level at any one time?

CoteDAzur · 26/05/2018 20:50

Broken - I linked to Les Trois Mains downthread. Check it out. It looks so difficult. I can't believe I'm playing it Grin

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CoteDAzur · 26/05/2018 20:52

I much prefer pieces in minor keys to those in major keys, but I especially love C minor pieces for some reason. I'm with you there, Never Smile

I have about 10 pieces I play every day. They change over time but I can play any of them on stage at any time.

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Broken11Girl · 01/06/2018 11:50

I'm a major key person.
I also prefer flat keys/ thinking in flats.
I do not like C# minor
Impressive Cote, tbh I have no pieces I could currently just play on request, I tend to forget themonce I'm done. Oddly, I can still play snatches of pieces I learned as a teen, muscle memory I guess, wish I had it now, damn the young people Grin

Mistigri · 01/06/2018 17:05

Very impressive côté!

I'm also a c minor fan. It is the easiest scale too.

I have three pieces I can play in theory. In practice none of them are reliable. I have some work to do in the next month - along with all the other things I have to do, like a full time job and flat-hunting for my eldest who is off to study in Paris in September. We are looking at 16m2 of studio accommodation so she won't be taking her piano with her ;)

Mistigri · 01/06/2018 17:06

Sorry about the superfluous accents, iPad likes to "correct" my spelling ...

NeverEverAnythingEver · 01/06/2018 17:46

I haven't got anything I can play off the top of my head. I can play the first part of Fur Elise, if that counts. Grin But mostly it takes a few goes to get back a piece I've learned properly.

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