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Tell us why children need to hear the sound of music and win tickets to a two-day festival at Glastonbury

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RowanMumsnet · 19/04/2012 10:23

Following on from our webchat with Charles Hazlewood earlier this year, we?re teaming up with his 'Orchestra in a Field' event to offer Mumsnetters the chance to win tickets to a weekend-long camp-out at Worthy Farm.

Even assuming that you would want to take the whole family along to a classical music event, it simply isn?t affordable for most people. Orchestra in a Field, an outdoor music festival in Somerset that Charlie has put together, is determined to open up classical music to new audiences. Charlie has decided that making his festival affordable and family-friendly is the key.

The two-day festival (30 June ? 1 July), a sort of 'Glastonbury meets Glyndebourne' experience, offers free entry to under-13s, big concessions to students and teens, and free camping, which means families with children under 13 can make a weekend of it for as little as £110 (the cost of two adult weekend tickets). (As an added bonus, if enough MNers sign up you could treat it as a meet-up Grin)

The ticket price includes world-class concert performances of Carmen, Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition and Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet, along with a host of other music-related entertainments, workshops and activities, including: a kids' area, helter skelter, flamenco dancing and drumming workshops, Puppet Opera, ukulele lessons, and a Rap Slam. Other highlights include a Community Choir Sing-Off, a debut performance by The British Paraorchestra, and Mike Oldfield's iconic Tubular Bells in a rare live supergroup performance featuring Goldfrapp and Portishead musicians.

Ten lucky MNers can win a pair of AAA tickets each to Orchestra in a Field. To be in with a chance, please post on this thread to let us know your opinions about early musical education for children. At what age do you think a child should learn a musical instrument? How important is it to expose children to Mozart? Has your child benefited from singing in a choir? What are your experiences of attending classical concerts with kids?

Thanks,
MNHQ

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CoffeeAhorlicksAnonymous · 26/04/2012 16:08

I played lots of different types of music to my pregnant belly and I took the kicks as a sign of which type was liked.

When DS was born he was given rattles, when he could crawl, wooden spoons and pans. As he got older he tried every instrument going from a rice shaker to samba drums.

I took him to every local kids music event going even in a downpour and we sang all the time.

At 12 he picked his instrument of choice and flew with it, he surprised everyone becoming one of the best, pure fluke?

BeerTricksPott3r · 26/04/2012 16:23

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hermionestranger · 26/04/2012 16:50

Both of my DS's love music, the youngest is 16 mo and already loves nodding his head, waving his arms and jogging around I lots of different styles of music.

Ds1 has eclectic tastes but his favourite music is from the classical genre ad he loves to listen to radio 3! He is 6! Grin

He has said he would like to begin piano lessons so are going to start then from September.

I think a child can learn to appreciate music from as soon as they can hold a rattle and bash it around.

For us it's one of the most important early education "subjects" you can do because it helps to build brain connections and foster better learning ability in outer subjects.

Both if our sons had classical music mobiles from birth and I think this has helped them.

Ds1's school take advantage of "play with the halle" (I don't know where to find accents on my phone) via the borough music service and ds1 loved it! He is going again this summer and I am hoping to take ds2 as well. I am a huge advocate of music lessons for all school children, our school does it and it gives all children the best advantages possible IMO.

lisad123 · 26/04/2012 17:06

I think exposing children to different music styles can be of great benefits. I don't believe you can say any type of music is better for children as each piece of music moves people in different ways. What one finds calming can sound horrible to another.
My eldest loves to sing but never in front of anyone else.
Learning an instrument is a great learning experience for children but is reliant on an ability of read music, so not always possible to access for children that can't.

Ps would love tickets Wink

DameHermione · 26/04/2012 17:35

The sound of music is a splendid film, including beautiful scenery, historical events and doe a deer.
All children should experience it from an educationsl, cultural and pure entertainment angle.

YouveCatToBeKittenMe · 26/04/2012 19:53

Children need to hear the sound of music so they can really appreciate how terrible Justin Bieber is.

Unfortunately mine obviously haven't heard any yet.....

ICutMyFootOnOccamsRazor · 26/04/2012 20:37

I think it's important that children are exposed to different genres of music from infanthood, really.

Most children love dancing and singing, so that's a good way into music for them.

DS loves opera because I tell him the stories and he likes to act out bits like the marching in Aida etc.

invicta · 26/04/2012 21:37

It would be great if more children could learn musical instruments from infants age, but unfortunately the cost is prohibitive for a lot of parents.

Regarding exposure to classical music, I remember going to an Ernest Read children 's concert as a child which was really good. The music and commentary was orientated to children. The Horrible Histories Prom concert at the Royal Albert hall shows how classical music can be made appealing to children.

Neither of my boys have sang in choirs or been to classical concerts (sorry!) ( nor have they been to rock concerts - too young). Their only exposure to a choir is watching the Big Performance with Gareth. Malone on tv.

I think there is a lot of classical musical suitable for children if introduced in the right wy. The only music my children have regularly listened to is The Carnival Of The Animals where we guess what the animals are. It doesn't have to be Mozart, as such.

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MrsShitty · 27/04/2012 00:15

I think this is a very exciting subject and especially attractive to those of us who have not had much exposure to classical music. As a child, I heard mainly rock and folk music which have both remained with me as great loves and which I have passed on (or foisted onto) my two DDs aged 7 and 4.

I haven't had a lot of experience with classical...my drama school taught me some basics...a little history and exposed me to some of the more well known composers but there are great holes in my education and this I think is a shame.

I would love for my children to gain a broader understanding of music and this would be a fabulous chance....I think music should be taught as early as possible in a fun way. For me, that was attending baby music classes which I did when funds allowed and of course playing musc to my children.

Live music though offers a differnt experience entirely and I know that it could potentially open up a new world to my children. This is why I would love them to have the chance to attend.

I think that all children are born with great rhythm and a sense of music which is either nurtured or not...and I would really like to give my children a chance to see and hear great music at a festival like this one.

Jux · 27/04/2012 00:48

My dd has sung in our local church choir since we moved here (she was just 6). She also sings in two school choirs.

Learning an instrument or singing - making music in other words - actually does make permanent changes in the brain. There will more connections between individual neurons. The effect is similar to learning another language. Practically, these brain changes affect positively the way the brain analyses things, solves problems, and many other functions.

Listening to particular types of music will enhance your thinking skills - Mozart has been used as an example of music which does that, but also Bach (there are plenty of others but I'm not listening to Mozart atm and my thinking/memory skills are opertaing distinctly under par!).

I knew a family whose 6 month old dd was given a violin. Every day one of the parents put that violin under her chin and held her hand at its neck! Now, I don't necessarily advocate that, but I do think that you can start whenever you like. If a child is interested in a particular instrument then they're old enough to start learning to play it. Learning to read music while very young is much easier than learning to read music later in life. One family of my relatives all started learning violin (their father's instrument) when they were only about 2! I used to watch those tiny children running to get the tiny little violin when they were to have a lesson! They loved it. As adults they all play beautifully. There is so much delight and companionship involved in playing. I believe that recently research found that singing made you happy! What better reason to do it! DD and I have both always used singing as a way to cheer ourselves up, without actually realizing it!

We are quite lucky in my town. There is a small 'gang' of people who organize concerts periodically. They know a lot of classical musicians, and somehow or other persuade them to come and give recitals in the church every couple of months. DD loves them, she sells tickets on the door, helps 'backstage', looks after volatile artistes, you name it!

About 4 years ago I took dd to see a local performance of Marriage of Figaro. She was entranced. We try to go whenever it's on (finances permitting), either here or in London. I have played her recordings of Cosi fan Tutti, which she likes but not so much; Bach, . Mahler and Wagner are not to her taste, but she is only 12 and her dad loathes opera with a vengeance (and most classical music Sad ) and he will tell her loudly how vile it is. (I'm afraid I used to use Das Lieder Von der Erde to get rid of visitors who wouldn't leave. I would play it over and over and insist that they listen rather than talk, point out particularly interesting phrases - I'd make it all up! - until they left.my excuse is I was pretty young and some men are horribly persistent.)

DD loves The Sixteen. Caldara Crucifixus is her favorite, and one of her ambitions is to perform it. I think it's what the angels sing in heaven. She liked Rossini Petite Messe Solenelle too, and lieder - Die Lorelei has a special place in both our hearts. Like me, she prefers music which involves singing.

DD is not solely a classical fan. She sings a lot folk, sometimes accompanied by dh on guitar. Dylan, the Stones, Evanescence, Glenn Miller, Alison Krauss. Her tastes are catholic.

Music is everywhere. We can hear it when we go into a shop, but classical music is not so easy to get unless someone in your family loves it. I think children shoulto hear classical music at school too. So many primary school choirs sing Abba and the like. That's fine, but classical music will challenge them more and expands their minds, stretches their brains and fires imagination. There are so many wonderful pieces which children can easily follow and enjoy. Britten's arrangements of folk songs, Peter and the Wolf, Purcell Come Ye Sons of Art. All these can be played at nursery, in Reception.

I believe that being involved in classical music expands horizons, broadens knowledge and experience, facilitates depth of thought, enhances imagination and encourages concentration.

Jux · 27/04/2012 00:49

Oooh! Lots of waffle! Grin

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2012 08:24

there is an episode of ben10 called 'it's not easy being gwen' in which a long scene is played out without sound with a beautiful piece of chopin playing (one of the characters is playing it at a concert and we are hearing her whilst seeing what the protagonists are doing) and it is stunningly well done - ds is totally transfixed by it and it really is quite a long sequence. thought i would mention it as it really is fantastically done and in a very popular children's show so a lot of unlikely characters will have been exposed to a beautiful, emotive piece of classical music via that show Smile

ds has a mini guitar and a fairly decent electronic keyboard that he was bought my sister last christmas. he doesn't show massive interest yet - other than the play acting aspect really. i have a nephew who is very musical so we're thinking having him (13) come and do mini lessons/play sessions with ds (5) on the keyboard might be good for both of them.

when i was at primary school everyone had to play the recorder and through that instrument we learned to read music. we had auditions when we were about 7 with music teachers on various instruments (self selected for auditions). i was chosen for cello lessons which i then played till i was 11 (and was too embarrassed to lug a cello back and forth to secondary school ridiculously and regrettably). i hope ds gets the same opportunity as it's a good way of seeing if they have aptitude before shelling out on lessons and instruments. we were lent a local authority instrument for the duration of our learning.

swallowedAfly · 27/04/2012 08:26

i went to a bog standard village primary school btw - wondering if state schools still do this kind of thing?

Earthymama · 27/04/2012 09:15

I have the Voice of a Crow, inherited along with my tone deaf ears from my DM!

If I stumble upon it, Songs of Praise still finds me warbling in that particular piercing Church Voice Smile

My father had a beautiful voice and went around the pubs locally with two friends singing for their (liquid) supper.

He used to stand me on the table at gatherings and sing to me or try to get me to sing. This has left me unable to ever ever sing in public. Sad

At school it was the favoured few who got all the attention, I was such a bookish geek that there were no expectations that we could be encouraged to be part of something different.

My Dneices and Dnephews were immersed in music and have wonderful voices. Their father was in a band and is obsessed with music. My neice is taking the first steps on a career as a singer/songwriter.

I really love music and if I ever have the chance I'm going to have singing lessons and surprise everyone within my wonderful voice. Grin

I wish I knew more about classical music however I'm glad I was a small child when the Beatles et al were around, and grew up with Abba, Disco, Punk, Smiths etc I have seen some amazing musicians play.

I think that all children whatever their background should be given the chance to sing and play. Look at the Only Boys Aloud project here in Wales; they are producing great musicfrom boys who might never have seen the Male Voice choir tradition as fun.

(wanders off warbling tunelessly..........)

Shakey1500 · 27/04/2012 14:57

I knew a man once. During a conversation, the topic arose of music tastes. he said he had none. NONE. Never listened to a radio, never bought an LP/CD, never listened to music in the car, didn't have a favourite singer/style/band, heck, didn't even have a favourite genre. And do you know what? He was one of the most miserable people I've ever met!

To let children feel the effects that music can have is a wonderful thing. Who hasn't sobbed to sad music after a break up? Who hasn't enjoyed foot tapping away to a rhythm? Who hasn't warbled in the shower? Been stopped dead in their tracks because of a certain melody that just resonates? Sang at Last Night Of The Proms? Played a certain track over and over till it's worn away? (apart from the aforementioned bloke obviously!)

It's amazing, uplifiting, sad, the whole gamut of emotions. I bloody love music I do Grin

KeemaNaanAndCurryOn · 27/04/2012 20:40

Sometimes music can talk to children when words just can't get through. It can soothe, distract, calm, exite and provoke emtotions like nothing else can, and that's why its so important to make music part of a child's life.

The right age to start learning an instrument depends on the child, but they learn as babies every time someone sings to them and they start singing back with their first rather toneless random version of Baa Baa Blacksheep, every time they bash a drum or a toy xylaphone to make their own music and any time you play music to them.

In our family music is used to soothe and to cheer the fraught car journeys home when the children are tired. They are calmed by Craig Ogden and his Guitar. If they need cheering up, on goes Beethoven's Ode to Joy - Which DS calls "The Burn-E Song" as its played in an animated Short by Pixar about a Robot called Burn-E. I am strictly not allowed to play Mozarts Requiem in the car though as it makes DS to Sad. You have to experience having a child who doesn't do emotions well to appreciate the power music must have on him.

We're fortunate that where we live by the seaside, there are periodic mini events where live music is played and the kids can listen and dance on the beach. DS loves orchestral music on one end through to really banging house music on the other which he calls "boys dance music". DD is less fussy. She likes anything so long as I'm not the one singing it.

I was fortunate as a child that I had the opportunity to learn a few musical instruments and I will always encourage my children to do the same. Its not going to be easy with the older one, but there's a clarinet on the shelf and a violin in the cupboard for the younger one when she's a bit older.

Even now in times of stress I will sing (out of DD's Earshot) a or pour all of my stress into playing my old tenor recorder Blush. I would like my children to have the opportunity to be able to do the same.

insancerre · 28/04/2012 15:27

Music is important to me. I love all sorts of music but can't play anything myself. I admire musicians who can write music and especially those who can write music and lyrics too.
I believe that everyone is born with an inner rythym and you have to listen to all sorts of music to find the songs that match that rythym.
My children have both found thier own inner rythym, which has been influenced by what they heard during their childhoods and before birth, as well as the music they have discovered for themselves.
Music comes rom within and is the only way for many people to express their inner thoughts, feelings, emotions and make sense of the world. For children, this is the key to building confidence and self-esteem.
Children should be exposed to all sorts of music, they are never too young and they should have the opportunity to make music as soon as they are able to hold an instrument.

gazzalw · 30/04/2012 17:12

Music is often a very, very adept tool at emotion expressing - you can usually tell what type of mood DS is in by the music he's playing in his room!

It is also a great social/cultural leveller in so many different ways. It is a way of connecting with people on so many levels - a common language almost - remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind - enough said!

goingtoofast · 30/04/2012 17:21

I took my children to a festival last year. The music wasn't really to their taste, was rock/metal, but they loved the sound of live music. They loved the atmosphere and appreciated the music. It was a really great experience for them.

aliciaflorrick · 01/05/2012 10:49

I'm taking my DCs to the Glastonbudget Festival on the Jubilee weekend, they're very excited about it and can often be found checking the band lists on the website to see who they're going to listen to. DC2(7) is determined to see The Queen cover band and DC1(9) wants to see the Paul Weller/Jam/Style Council cover band.

We're all really excited and the DCs have been practicing their festival dancing for weeks now Grin.

Is anybody else planning on going to that one - we picked it because it was a price we could afford and figured that at the back of a crowd at a festival it didn't matter what you could see on the stage as long as they sounded okay.

gazzalw · 03/05/2012 07:30

I think that learning a musical instrument is something that should happen organically. I am not sure from personal experience that little ones are always ready to be pushed into it when they are 5, 6 or even 7. I think it should be encouraged as and when they express an interest in it, for whatever reason. And there is no reason why one can't learn an instrument at 11, 21, 31 and well into one's retirement. It should never be regarded as 'too late' because it never is. And I feel personally, having taught myself to play the guitar in adulthood, that if the motivation is there (and it is often more likely to be there if it's internal rather than external - i.e. from parents) one is much more likely to really enjoy it, feel a sense of achievement, and strive to get better and better.

It is wrong to assume that just because people don't play instruments they can't be musical. DW is not brilliant at singing but she can recognise a tune within the first three notes and the children have the same skill. The children are also very,very good at picking up tunes and incredibly will learn the lyrics of a sing within a couple of listens.

Music is about patterns and reflects patterns in other areas of knowledge in life - maths and languages being the main ones. I think that heightening one's awareness of and interest in music will help with developing skills in other areas.

RowanMumsnet · 11/05/2012 10:49

Hello hello,

Thanks for all your input. I've been through the thread with a pin and I'm happy to say that the following posters have won pairs of AAA tickets to Orchestra in a Field:

youvecattobekittenme
Lisad123
CoffeeAhorlicksAnonymous
3rdnparty
happypiglet
WhoMovedMyChocolate
katiewalters
Shakey1500
Earthymama
CMOTdibbler

Congratulations to all - we'll be in touch.

Keep your eyes on the thread - we're about to announce a special Mumsnet discount for anyone else who fancies going.

Thanks,
MNHQ

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Shakey1500 · 11/05/2012 13:28

EEK! Thank you! Can you tell us what AAA tickets are and what's included? I've never camped before and have not the first idea! I need to buy a tent don't I? And plastic cutlery. Are red checked blankets obligatory? Grin

Thanks MN!

lisad123 · 11/05/2012 13:34

Oooo exciting. Can we ask of we can have a yurt and how much it would be?